I wonder who makes cheap gas turbines?
In my case I like to take a nice shower, to take care of my beautiful hair
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Ok, good answer or question. I'll ask Grok for you:
Major manufacturers of gas turbines include:
- General Electric (GE): A leading producer for power generation and aviation.
- Siemens Energy: Supplies gas turbines for industrial and utility applications.
- Mitsubishi Power: Known for advanced, high-efficiency turbines.
- Ansaldo Energia: Italian manufacturer focused on power generation.
- Rolls-Royce: Produces gas turbines, mainly for aviation and marine use.
- Pratt & Whitney (RTX): Specializes in aero-derivative gas turbines.
- Solar Turbines (Caterpillar): Offers smaller-scale turbines for industrial use.
Hope that helpful, not a lot of China there.
Solar is growing and is fine.https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/solar-power-continues-to-surge-in-2024/ The industrial nations are building solar at an increasing rate.
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Solar electricity is not free. That's just the 'fuel' cost. The cost of intermittent operation is greater, as is the inability of large arrays to control output.
For example, California on some sunny days produces too much solar electricity to use internally. They therefore sell it at a loss, that is they pay, other states like Arizona to take the excess off their hands. They have to pay to give this electricity away because the other state then has to idle say a natural gas plant--that is, the plant stays up and online, but the generators aren't producing electricity. That costs money, so the utility idling their plant wants California solar operators to pay the cost of that idle time along with transmission costs.
Thus, the uncontrollable nature of solar raises the cost of operation and electricity until it is about triple the cost of conventional generation. In Europe, Germany was doing the same thing until their neighbors started disconnecting from the German grid to stop the practice. Now Germany has issues with the variability of solar while not having enough alternative generation. The result is that Germany has the most expensive--and supposedly green--electricity in Europe.
Solar sucks.
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Wrong. One cubic meter of natural gas produces about 7500 kw. That works out to three hundred millionths of a cent per kw. (.000000028)
He probably doesn’t know what they are. You give him too much credit.
Who said it was free?It is pollution-free. It is far cheaper than gas heat and conventional electricity production. Home solar is great too.
Solar power really is coming into its own, and of course trumpers are trying to destroy it. They think if they can set the clock back 100+ years, they will be productive people.
Its fuel is free. So the question is whether its initial costs makeup for the cost of money. Could I have bought a 20 year Treasury that would have paid better than the cost of electricity? I worked out all the math(a little more complex because solar panels are used up, where Treasurys pay back principle), and worked out that solar really does payoff. Interest rates have risen since then, but so has inflation, and electricity costs.
So solar was cost effective, at least for me. Is it useless? It creates electricity from wasted light, so there is a use for solar panels.
Gardner is locked into a way of thinking that he refuses to accept any solution other than the ones he has been told to accept.
Are you back to claiming that one cubic meter of natural gas weighs a ton? That is physically impossible under Earth gravity. It does not even work under Jupiters gravity. It does work on the Sun, but if you are on the Sun then solar energy is the definite winner.
Here is the way I know electricity is not able to be generated for a millionth of a penny per kilowatt... IT IS NOT HAPPENING!!! If we could generate it for that little, we would.
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Walt did. He stated that solar power produces free energy.
No, it isn't. That's now been proven repeatedly worldwide. Solar sucks.
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It's not so easy. We need electricity 24/7 365. Solar can't deliver on that. It is an intermittent source and that's where its biggest downfall occurs. Solar is not cost effective, and it is proven to drive up energy prices in general. Typically, a solar heavy grid will price out at about triple that of conventional generation.
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Oh, and I never stated what the weight of a cubic meter or natural gas is because that's irrelevant to the discussion.
My sister in law was a power company engineer. She did her Phd thesis on solar and wind generation. And her thesis agrees with you. Solar and wind are much more expensive than other forms of generation.
The advent of combined cycle gas power plants and Fracking have lowered the cost of generating with gas significantly.
From his link https://explainedcalculators.com/1-m3-gas-to-kwh-how-many-kwh-in-1-m3-of-gas/
So which is it, 7500 or 10.65?
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Solar can't produce base load. 24/7
Actually, it is. The value of an investment is how well it pays off.
I have electricity from other sources when I am not producing electricity. I am producing electricity during peak usages, so it allows the electrical company to turn off expensive electrical production, like natural gas. If I produced electricity at 3:00AM, there would be a real problem.
In theory, if there is storage, or great long distance transmission, it can. At the moment, you are mostly correct. It can produce cheap power at peak usage times. That makes it useful.
No one is arguing that solar is the current solution to all our problems. The silliness is that some alt right posters are arguing that solar power is useless.
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It has a terrible ROI. If it didn't it wouldn't need constant and massive government subsidies, nor would it have to be forced on the public.
There is part of the problem. While you blithely go about things in your ignorance, the duplication of generation sources raises the cost of the system as a whole. The "electrical company" cannot just "turn off expensive electrical production." It takes time--hours to days--to bring a conventional generation station online or take it offline. It can't be done at the flick of a switch.