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The way it keeps happening that we get told by the so-called experts "This is what is happening, there is no doubt, we are the experts, how dare you open your yap" and then we find out later that they were full of shit and never did have ANY quality evidence to make the claims they did is something to notice.
How much does gasoline cost? Like $3 a gallon. How much does sunlight cost? Nothing. Which is more cost effective in terms of consumable inputs? $3 or zero?
I am not arguing that solar panels are perfect, but they are far from useless.
T. A. Gardner
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No, it's not.
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T. A. Gardner
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How much electricity do solar panels produce at midnight?
This is where we are today. Everything proven by experts is highly disputed by random people on the internet.
How much electricity does a generator produce without fuel?
Why is electricity so much more expensive and unreliable when systems go to wind and solar?
T. A. Gardner
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It takes 130 grams of methane to produce 1 KW of electricity. A cubic meter of methane currently costs about 0.25 on an industrial scale. There are one million grams of methane in a cubic meter. That means one cubic meter of methane can produce 7500 kw for about twenty-five cents. A natural gas plant can also produce that power 24/7.
What are you going to use when the sun isn't shining?
The proof is in the annual output and capacity factor of solar compared to other generation sources. Right now, you can build and operate a natural gas generation station for twenty years including the cost of fuel, and it will absolutely clobber a solar plant that generates the same annual MW output. There's no comparison. Solar sucks.
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T. A. Gardner
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Hospitals are worse. A residential grade 15 amp receptacle costs about $1.50. A commercial or industrial grade one about $3.00. One for a hospital runs about $9.00 currently. That gets worse if you are talking the red critical use or orange with green triangle isolated ground ones. Those will set you back $12 to $15.00 each. That's wholesale!
That simply is not true. There is one ton of weight(one million grams) in a cubic meter of water, but methane never has that density. At room temperature, pressure, where you can buy methane at 25 cents, there are 0.657 kg(657 grams) per cubic meter. Methane is a gas, so would be expected to be about one thousandth the density of water, and it is a bit less than that.
Methane would be a great way to generate electricity for no running costs, theoretically, if I owned a lot of cows. I do not, but I do own a roof.
By the way, the only way I can think of to get methane to the density of water would be to have in under extreme gravity, slightly greater than Jupiters. That would kill us quickly, so I do not suggest it.
Methane - Wikipedia
It is not.
T. A. Gardner
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The problem is that you can't produce electricity with solar 24/7. As I pointed out, currently a natural gas generation plant is cheaper to build and operate over 20 years--including the fuel--than an equivalent solar plant that has the same annual MW output. There's no comparison. Solar sucks.That simply is not true. There is one ton of weight(one million grams) in a cubic meter of water, but methane never has that density. At room temperature, pressure, where you can buy methane at 25 cents, there are 0.657 kg(657 grams) per cubic meter. Methane is a gas, so would be expected to be about one thousandth the density of water, and it is a bit less than that.
Methane would be a great way to generate electricity for no running costs, theoretically, if I owned a lot of cows. I do not, but I do own a roof.
By the way, the only way I can think of to get methane to the density of water would be to have in under extreme gravity, slightly greater than Jupiters. That would kill us quickly, so I do not suggest it.
Methane - Wikipedia
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Your methane numbers were completely made up. They just do not work.
Natural gas is a quite costly fuel, but a cheaper infrastructure, so about comparable to solar. The problem is solar is coming down in price, so you are wrong in the long term.
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Note: 1000 cu ft. = ~ 28 cubic meters
The price in January 2025 was $5.82 per 1000 cu ft. That works out to just shy of 0.21 per cubic meter.
If the solar panels were FREE solar would still lose to natural gas on a commercial scale. That's how inefficient solar is.
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Here’s the dirty secret: solar’s only “affordable” because we’re snagging dirt-cheap panels from China, where environmental rules are a myth and slave labor’s the special sauce, and the government is kicking in 70% with rebates and tax credits. Without that grim shortcut, and the kickback, your breakeven stretches out longer than a Kamala cackle (such a terrible sound, just imagine). Solar’s mostly the ultimate rich lefty flex, pure virtue signaling to flaunt how “green” they are while the rest of us gag on their smugness. Sunshine’s free? Sure, and coal’s a gift until you fire up the rigs and send in the crew. Energy’s never free, Wally, but keep dreaming in your woke wonderland.
I’m not saying solar’s useless, it’s a champ in bum-nowhere spots where it’s your only shot. Sure, we should keep tinkering with all energy toys, chasing that sci-fi breakthrough that’ll flip the script. But let’s be real: right now, solar’s either a niche fix or the left’s favorite virtue-signaling prop. It’s like a Tesla for your roof, screaming “I’m greener than you!” wait, I can't use Tesla anymore, how about Prius? Nobodies burning those yet are they?
Not worse. Imagine those same things in a place that you need to keep electricity away from those incarcerated (they short circuits to create sparks to light things to smoke, that's just one of the reasons) so you need even the same receptacles but they also need to be "tamper resistant"... Triple those prices... and you may be getting somewhere near what prisons and jails have to pay.
The older a person gets the more you find out that VERY FEW people know much of anything at all. They have allowed their minds to be far too busied and preoccupied with a bunch of nonsense that matters very little in the big scheme of things. In fact,....most of the SO CALLED experts aren't experts on much of anything at all besides saying what they are PAID to say.
So about 20 cents per kilowatt... Compared to zero cents per kilowatt... I am no expert on this, but I think zero is less than 20 cents.