It's Over for Letterman

Socrtease said:
Jumpin' Jesus in a chariot powered sidecar, are you people STILL bitching about this? Dry up and move on you whiners.
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You should call the police and file a complaint, seeing as how someone must be holding a gun to your head and forcing you to post about somethng you find unessential
 
Damocles said:
Lefties whining about the Dixie Chicks? Yeah, still happening.
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Sure. On a thread with over 300 replies, where the Dixie Chicks have been mentioned about 10 times compared to dozens of posts calling for Letterman to be fired, boycotted, etc., etc., etc.

Good call. Spot on.
 
Onceler said:
Sure. On a thread with over 300 replies, where the Dixie Chicks have been mentioned about 10 times compared to dozens of posts calling for Letterman to be fired, boycotted, etc., etc., etc.

Good call. Spot on.
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I'm glad you noticed. And the way you took dry sarcasm all seriously... Priceless.
 
maineman said:
so when will Dixie admit that he doesn't know feces from fat meat?
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LOL, He can't even tell the difference when he looks in a mirror.

I may be wrong but I do not recall Dixie ever admitting he was wrong. Of if he did it was someone elses fault that he was wrong.
 
Damocles said:
...The Dixie Chicks showed that how and where you will spend your money is a form of expression protected by the first amendment as much as what they said...

My original comment had nothing to do with money, but with people having the freedom to speak their opinion, no matter how unpopular.

...No mainstream republican or conservative called for their arrest...

Why would they call for an arrest? What reason was there to arrest them?

...or even a restriction put on their ability to speak whenever or wherever they were.

Death threats are a powerful reason for giving people pause about what they say and where they say it.

...Many simply reacted by expressing their beliefs directly through the means of their purchasing power and ratings power...

A temporary dip in their popularity that didn't translate to permanent ostracism, as their award-winning careers have shown.

...Much like a lefty on Air America might lose their audience if they started praising Bush at every turn, any person venturing into the political arena peopled largely by the right may lose their audience if they expressed the opposite...

There's a difference between expressing displeasure at the cash register and making foul comments like "Traitors," "Saddam's Angels," "Dixie Sluts", and even death threats. Those actions were vicious and dangerous.

...What we saw was a complex reaction to their direct foray into the realm of the political. That they did not like the reaction of the audience they had worked so hard to gather doesn't change that both sides reacted to political activity in ways that were also political and forms of expression protected by that same 1st Amendment...

What we saw was a heated overreaction to a political opinion at a time when everybody who spoke out against the war was vilified.

...There is nothing in the 1st Amendment that protects you from loss of earnings that you may have because your audience feels differently...

Who said it did, besides you?

...You cannot force an audience to purchase what they no longer choose to purchase.

Again, this isn't about money, it's about the malice, abuse and invective heaped on them because they had the guts to speak out, presciently, I might add, against bush's illegal, immoral war.
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Oh boo, where is that small violin again for those poor poor chicks... and they were getting DEATH threats...Please, I bet country fans have more to do than waste time sending death treats to some snotty musicians...:rolleyes:

Words have consequences, they found out the hard way through the money people were willing to give them....a big fat 0 from the country fans, they still have the pop music...
 
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christiefan915 said:
My original comment had nothing to do with money, but with people having the freedom to speak their opinion, no matter how unpopular.



Why would they call for an arrest? What reason was there to arrest them?



Death threats are a powerful reason for giving people pause about what they say and where they say it.
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Name the mainstream (note mainstream) republican that threatened their life. Just one. Then you would win, otherwise this is just a strawman based on their PR campaign during their comeback. During that time there were undoubtedly some who did do that, but not even close to a percentage of those who simply "spoke" against their political grandstanding on the platform they helped them to gain with their support.

A temporary dip in their popularity that didn't translate to permanent ostracism, as their award-winning careers have shown.


There's a difference between expressing displeasure at the cash register and making foul comments like "Traitors," "Saddam's Angels," "Dixie Sluts", and even death threats. Those actions were vicious and dangerous.
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Again, please check my words. Which mainstream republican threatened their life? Pretending that both sides don't have their nuts that threaten lives is only pretense, but it is remarkable that you must resort to the absolute fringe to get the emotive power behind your words here. If I constantly sought the worst of those who carry a D to say that all "D's" were some way, it would likely be because I was partisan-blind.

During this period, according to a pretty good wiki article, at one concert they had metal detectors, at another there was a threat specific enough to have one member of the band escorted to and from the airport. I dislike the people who threatened them, I hope they were arrested and prosecuted.

The Wiki Article

What we saw was a heated overreaction to a political opinion at a time when everybody who spoke out against the war was vilified.

Who said it did, besides you?

Again, this isn't about money, it's about the malice, abuse and invective heaped on them because they had the guts to speak out, presciently, I might add, against bush's illegal, immoral war.
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Who said it? The constant drumming of "The Dixie Chicks" and "Rs are against the 1st Amendment" going together is who suggested it. They spoke against the war, while expecting to keep an audience largely made up of people who supported it.

And again, which mainstream republican even called for their arrest, let alone their death, for the use of their 1st Amendment right? Nobody in the mainstream suggested they didn't have the right to say it, they just said they would no longer give them the platform from which to speak. If the Dixie Chicks were going to continue to have the platform, it would be with money from a different source of fans.

You continuously get upset for others using the same right, and try to shut down conversation with the emotive "they threatened their lives!" The overwhelming majority of those people never threatened anybody in their lives, let alone the Dixie Chicks with anything more than simply the loss of their support.

Dragging the conversation down to the lowest of denominators because you do not have the ability to bring this back up to a logical discussion doesn't make you right, just more emotive. Where and how you spend your money can be as much of a 1st Amendment expression and for some is the only one that they have that has any power when those people they support with money start their forays into the political realm.

The Dixie Chicks spoke their mind, so did their audience.

I don't seek to defend the people who sent them threats, that's simply illegal, I seek to defend the millions that simply stopped paying and spoke with their wallets. Those people merely expressed a different side of that same Amendment.

And as for "illegal war", many would agree, others would disagree. If you were a performer that had an audience made up of those that disagree with that statement it would be foolish to expect to keep that audience if you expressed that opinion in such a manner.

Were my audience largely made up of people who voted for Bush, I would not expect there to be no negative reaction to my expression once I ventured into the political arena if I consistently spoke against him.

They have as much right to simply stop supporting people with money who will use that money and fame to create a platform for ideas that are not remotely compatible with their own.
 
Socrtease said:
Used to be that the left was the bitch of the political world, now it is the Right. You fuckers really need a message, because this is truly pathetic, the fact that this post has had the legs it has indicates to me that you all have lost all direction. This is not the party of Reagan and Lincoln, this is the party of Tammy Faye Baker with makeup running down your face in buckets. Fucking sissies.
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A liberal man is the very definition of a sissie. *shrug*
 
"I seek to defend the millions that simply stopped paying and spoke with their wallets. Those people merely expressed a different side of that same Amendment."

That's certainly oversimplifying what went on.

Do you think America is or would be a better place without criticism of the sitting President?
 
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