Just what IS conservativism?

That was not my point.

And religious conservative contributions never help anyone that needs it. It goes to build mega churches.

actually, one of the conclusions of the study was that those who attend church at least once a week even contribute more in time and money to non-religious charities than the non-religious do.....

but you just keep on posting things that make you look stupid......its a lot of fun pointing them out.....
 
I have witnessed the total failure of 2 revolutions of extreme ideology in my lifetime. The Bolshevik revolution and the Reagan revolution.

of the two, I'm sure the first disappointed you the most.....by the way, do you have a link for anything you posted above?....and just out of curiosity, do you think the Carter inflation era, when homes jumped from $7000 to $37000 to buy, had anything to do with the "wealth gap"?.......
 
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actually, one of the conclusions of the study was that those who attend church at least once a week even contribute more in time and money to non-religious charities than the non-religious do.....

but you just keep on posting things that make you look stupid......its a lot of fun pointing them out.....

And you can base life on a questioned study and ignore reality. What I see and hear from right wing 'christians' has nothing to do with Jesus, his life on earth or any of his teaching.

Trickle down economics is just a replay of Lazarus and the Rich Man, expecting THIS time that Lazarus will get more than just crumbs.
 
of the two, I'm sure the first disappointed you the most.....by the way, do you have a link for anything you posted above?....and just out of curiosity, do you think the Carter inflation era, when homes jumped from $7000 to $37000 to buy, had anything to do with the "wealth gap"?.......

The 'Carter inflation era'? Do you mean inflation that started when Nixon hounded the Federal Reserve to open the money spigots and in 1972 the growth of the money supply went stratospheric? Or do you mean the monument of economic ineptitude, the wage and price controls that began in 1971 and didn't completely peter out until 1974? Or, do you mean The Nixon Shock, a series of economic measures taken by U.S. President Richard Nixon in 1971 including unilaterally canceling the direct convertibility of the United States dollar to gold that essentially ended the existing Bretton Woods system of international financial exchange?
wiki - The Nixon Shock



"Nixon was the most dishonest individual I have ever met in my life. He lied to his wife, his family, his friends, his colleagues in the Congress, lifetime members of his own political party, the American people and the world."
Barry Goldwater
 
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So stop doing it. *shrug*

Turn off the propaganda outlets that are creating the fear, Fox News, Limbaugh, Levin, etc. *shrug*

I heard a retired CIA agent whose expertise was the old Soviet Union and the Soviet bloc compare the level of propaganda on Fox News to Pravda.
 
Just what IS conservativism?

I read your OP, and I have to say, my young life was much the same as yours. Except for the fact that my Mother worked, and my sister and I were cared for by a housekeeper. She was a black woman, and I am sure her life story was considerably different than mine and yours. Perhaps that's a conversation for another time? In any event, my Mom stopped working when I was 10, and we no longer had a housekeeper. My grandfather had a heart attack and stroke, which left him debilitated completely, and he lived with us, my Mom took care of him, we all looked after him. We did this because that is what family does. Or at least, what family used to do, now they would cart him off to some nursing home to die.

None of this really has much to do with conservatism. The way I see it, there is a fundamental difference between conservatives and liberals, regarding the foundational premise of our nation. Conservatives and conservatism, is rooted in the belief that all men are created equal and endowed with inalienable rights by their Creator. Liberals, for the most part, don't even believe in the Creator, therefore, they believe our rights are derived from men in black robes. It's not a coincidence most Atheists are Liberals, and most devoutly religious people are Conservative.

It is through this underpinning of belief that we are endowed our rights by God, that is the foundation of American Exceptionalism, and Conservatism. Now, the first criticism from the lefties is... WHO's God? The answer is simple, YOUR God! Whatever entity or force that is greater than man, which you bestow your faith in. I suppose, for a Liberal, that would be The State. But the state and government are comprised of men, not God.

It is important to understand this fundamental principle, because it is the basis for everything Conservative. It is vital to understanding how freedom and liberty apply to the American Dream, and how this is enabled to be realized by all men. Failing to understand this, leads to the notion that some men are not created equal, they require The State to take actions to make them equal. The truth is, The State can never make anyone equal, they are already equal because they were Created that way. Progressives don't believe this to be true, therefore, they are continually seeking change, in a never-ending journey to what they perceive as social justice, because they believe that will make everyone equal.

Conservatives believe we all have the same endowed freedom, therefore, we are all empowered with opportunity. It is all a matter of the individual realizing their potential and believing in themselves, having dedication and devotion to their dream, and not giving up. Liberals, most notably, Progressives, are enablers of the weak-minded, they foster a belief that people can't achieve because they aren't empowered and have no opportunity. The weak-minded often buy into this, because it is always easier to be lazy and believe your failure to succeed is the fault of someone else. However, you can look at history, the example of people, individuals, who overcame whatever obstacles, to become successful. George Washington Carver is a prime example of this. Imagine the obstacles he faced? Did it prevent him from success? From realizing his true potential? Look at Helen Keller... did her handicap keep her from making history? Stephen Hawking... could it be much worse for an individual? Could you have much worse of an obstacle than complete debilitation? These people all believed in themselves and were determined to accomplish things, and they did. It wasn't because The State enabled them, it wasn't because men in black robes empowered them, it was because God endowed them!
 
I read your OP, and I have to say, my young life was much the same as yours. Except for the fact that my Mother worked, and my sister and I were cared for by a housekeeper. She was a black woman, and I am sure her life story was considerably different than mine and yours. Perhaps that's a conversation for another time? In any event, my Mom stopped working when I was 10, and we no longer had a housekeeper. My grandfather had a heart attack and stroke, which left him debilitated completely, and he lived with us, my Mom took care of him, we all looked after him. We did this because that is what family does. Or at least, what family used to do, now they would cart him off to some nursing home to die.

None of this really has much to do with conservatism. The way I see it, there is a fundamental difference between conservatives and liberals, regarding the foundational premise of our nation. Conservatives and conservatism, is rooted in the belief that all men are created equal and endowed with inalienable rights by their Creator. Liberals, for the most part, don't even believe in the Creator, therefore, they believe our rights are derived from men in black robes. It's not a coincidence most Atheists are Liberals, and most devoutly religious people are Conservative.

It is through this underpinning of belief that we are endowed our rights by God, that is the foundation of American Exceptionalism, and Conservatism. Now, the first criticism from the lefties is... WHO's God? The answer is simple, YOUR God! Whatever entity or force that is greater than man, which you bestow your faith in. I suppose, for a Liberal, that would be The State. But the state and government are comprised of men, not God.

It is important to understand this fundamental principle, because it is the basis for everything Conservative. It is vital to understanding how freedom and liberty apply to the American Dream, and how this is enabled to be realized by all men. Failing to understand this, leads to the notion that some men are not created equal, they require The State to take actions to make them equal. The truth is, The State can never make anyone equal, they are already equal because they were Created that way. Progressives don't believe this to be true, therefore, they are continually seeking change, in a never-ending journey to what they perceive as social justice, because they believe that will make everyone equal.

Conservatives believe we all have the same endowed freedom, therefore, we are all empowered with opportunity. It is all a matter of the individual realizing their potential and believing in themselves, having dedication and devotion to their dream, and not giving up. Liberals, most notably, Progressives, are enablers of the weak-minded, they foster a belief that people can't achieve because they aren't empowered and have no opportunity. The weak-minded often buy into this, because it is always easier to be lazy and believe your failure to succeed is the fault of someone else. However, you can look at history, the example of people, individuals, who overcame whatever obstacles, to become successful. George Washington Carver is a prime example of this. Imagine the obstacles he faced? Did it prevent him from success? From realizing his true potential? Look at Helen Keller... did her handicap keep her from making history? Stephen Hawking... could it be much worse for an individual? Could you have much worse of an obstacle than complete debilitation? These people all believed in themselves and were determined to accomplish things, and they did. It wasn't because The State enabled them, it wasn't because men in black robes empowered them, it was because God endowed them!

What you say has nothing to do with Christian beliefs or is reflected in the life and teachings of Jesus. You constantly dismiss and show disdain for others. That is not what Jesus taught or how he lived his life on earth. So I suggest you learn who our creator was and what he preached.
 
What you say has nothing to do with Christian beliefs or is reflected in the life and teachings of Jesus. You constantly dismiss and show disdain for others. That is not what Jesus taught or how he lived his life on earth. So I suggest you learn who our creator was and what he preached.
All the people he mentioned as amazing were liberals, weren't they, ahahahahahaha, isn't it ironic!
 
What is conservatism? In my opinion, it is respect for the past and the wisdom of our ancestors. Their lives were built on their ancestors and so it goes, from one generation to the next. You ultimately respect their lives and toil not by paying lip service to it or using empty rhetoric like 'family values'. You do it by embracing those values. You do it by making their hard earned lessons your easy learned lessons. You do it by respecting and fighting for the policies and programs they crafted that increased the benefits and lessened the losses to our communities and our society.

How did our ancestors craft these policies and programs, were they based on some ideology? I believe they were based on common decency, respect for your neighbors, common sense, experience, trial and error and a strong sense of community.

I was raised in the 1950's. My dad was the sole provider, and my mom was a housewife and mother. We didn't call it 'family values', we called it family. When I came home from school, no matter what kind of day I had, it became brighter as soon as I walked in the door to a 'hi honey' from my mom. It not only brightened my day, it built self worth and a positive self image. All my friends and school mates had a similar story...a father that worked and a mother that stayed home to raise and nurture their children. None of us kids ever knew or even cared what anyone else's father did for a living. None of us had to go without; food, clothing, pets, bikes, baseball gloves, doctor care (our doctor used to come to the house), a quality public education with all the extras; sports, arts, school run ice rink, summer swimming and sports programs etc. But none of us were pampered or spoiled either.

THAT is exactly what I want for my kids and for my grand-kids.

So...In a very real way I AM truly a conservative.

So, what is conservatism? I don't hear people that call themselves conservatives talk that way or think that way. I don't hear talk of building, I hear talk of tearing down. I don't hear talk of a helping hand, I hear talk of letting them fail. I don't hear talk of the public good, I hear talk about me and mine. I don't hear compassion for fellow citizens, I hear disdain. I never hear them talk about human capital, just mammon. These so called conservatives are ideologues that want to dismantle any shred of community and replace it with SELF interest.

That is not 'conservatism', that is called narcissism.

"You shall rise in the presence of grey hairs, give honor to the aged, and fear God, I am the Lord"
Leviticus 19:32

I think the best definition of a conservative I have heard is that a conservative is a person who believes in the status quo.
 
It looks, to me, more like it as time passes! Why aren't the baggers mad about the jobs going over seas more? I just don't get it!!!!!!

Fascism or any other form of authoritarianism requires one thing. A group of followers that are able and willing to dehumanize and dismiss another group of people. It is only then that atrocities occur. The 'others' can be Jews, or as we see in America today, liberals.

But, history shows that liberals being portrayed as 'others' is not new.

The Hard Road to Fascism

Today’s antiliberal revolt looks a lot like 1920s Europe.

Traditional conservatives have persistently criticized modern liberalism for its alleged “softness.” After the First World War right-wing German and Italian critics abused the governments of Weimar Germany and pre-Mussolini Italy for their commitment to social welfare, which their critics linked to an unwillingness to use force in international relations. To use Robert Kagan’s expression, the Weimar Republic could only do the dishes, not prepare the feast.

German and Italian critics of liberalism—writers such as Ernst Jünger and Giovanni Gentile—longed for the military spirit that allegedly typified the “front-fighter” generation that had lived through the horrors of trench warfare during World War I. The experience of war, they said, could redeem the anti-national Weimar Republic and the spineless decadence of Italian liberalism by reintroducing them to the necessity of using force—which would mean a much more ready resort to military power and a reorientation of government to promote its use. Both men and nations could thereby reestablish their virility.

Extreme right-wing theoreticians—for example, German jurist and political philosopher Carl Schmitt—believed that the European states in general had to choose between defending the interests of their national communities—at the end of the day by force—and sustaining a debilitating commitment to popular welfare, which more and more absorbed the energies of a weak-kneed liberalism that precariously clung to power in many European states. Schmitt believed that the state existed exclusively to oppose the enemies of the national community and ensure domestic order. Politics, he famously said, is founded on the friend-enemy polarity. Liberals had embarked on a fruitless crusade to escape inevitable political conflict within their societies by expanding the welfare function of the modern state to appease the demands of the masses, and thereby weakening its “executive function.”

The proximate causes of this revulsion against liberalism in Italy, Germany, and elsewhere are not far to seek. And the underlying anti-liberal logic was more cultural than political-economic. After defeat in World War I neither Germany nor Italy was able to advance its interests effectively in Europe. The Italians were widely regarded as pathetic soldiers. “The Italians,” Bismarck said, “have such large appetites and such poor teeth.” Giovanni Gentile, subsequently a Fascist minister for Mussolini, lamented the dolce far niente (“sweet do nothing”) that he found characterized the Italians as a nation. As for the Germans, they had of course lost the war, but they were encouraged to believe that their armies and fighting men had not been defeated on the battlefield but had been betrayed by an unpatriotic cabal of Jews, Francophiles, liberals, and socialists.

So for these men and like-minded others, there was a necessary connection between reviving militarism and imperialism and curtailing the state’s commitment to popular welfare. Only a new political elite—battle-hardened, ruthless, and devoted to authoritarian government—could achieve the reforms needed to restore these states to the ranks of the European powerful. The new governments would not be parliamentary: talk shops never get anything done. In Italy the Fascist elite developed an imperial ideology focusing on Rome; in Germany, too, there was an imperial element—the “Thousand Year Empire”—although we correctly understand the racism of the National Socialists to have been their most memorable contribution to the horrors of the 20th century.

* * *

Mutatis mutandis, we find a similar cultural bond between the Bush administration’s imperial foreign policy and its tax cuts, which not only benefit America’s richest people and institutions but are deliberately aimed at starving the welfare state. The United States has achieved its overwhelming military power at the same time and in close connection with a revolt against liberalism, which is arguably as deep as the one that reached its climax with the establishment of the totalitarian regimes of the 1920s and 1930s. Local crises are emerging at the state level all across the United States. Educational institutions are being starved; benefits to the poor are being cut; the proportion of Americans living in poverty is up, as is inequality; crises in Medicare and Social Security loom. And these results are a product of deliberate policy, promoted through a program of deep tax cuts which promise to erode the financial capacity of the state to undertake any but the most minimal welfare functions.

There are still other parallels with the past. The earlier anti-liberal revolt was marked by an attack on cultural decadence and a demand for a return to religion and order. Culture, according to conservative critics, was becoming trash, and the mess had to be cleaned up, by resolute means. In Italy and Germany, and in a different way in the Soviet Union, far more authoritarian or “totalitarian” government came to prevail as state power swelled. In other nations as well, constitutional guarantees were abolished or weakened: authoritarian and traditionalist governments came to power in Spain, Portugal, Poland, Hungary, and Austria, and a quasi-Fascist government formed in Rumania. Liberals were seen as weak-kneed wimps, unwilling to use force internationally and preoccupied with social welfare internally; local patriotisms prevailed everywhere. Eventually, except on the Iberian peninsula, the “totalitarian nations” took over the indecisive authoritarian disciples they had spawned.

Intellectual isolation was also important. In Germany and Italy, competing intellectual points of view were crowded out, just as had occurred earlier—and even more decisively—in the Soviet Union. Foreign opinion and foreign nations were demonized for being run by the wrong classes, religions, races, or politicians.

More... http://bostonreview.net/BR28.3/gleason.html
 
What you say has nothing to do with Christian beliefs or is reflected in the life and teachings of Jesus. You constantly dismiss and show disdain for others. That is not what Jesus taught or how he lived his life on earth. So I suggest you learn who our creator was and what he preached.

You're absolutely right, it has nothing to do with Christian beliefs. I am not a Christian believer. I think Jesus was a great speaker, and his teachings are of great value to mankind, but I do not believe he was the living son of God, as is required for all Christians to believe. I am fairly non-theological in my faith, I believe theology is a man-made construct, invented by men to explain something men are incapable of understanding or comprehending. This doesn't mean I don't believe in "God" or at least what you might call "God." I don't believe "God" has human attributes, or is a "being" of any kind. Most Christian-based religions do believe this, and that's okay with me, I have no problem with mankind adopting concepts to better understand and relate to the supreme driving force of our universe. Jesus was a man, not our Creator.

Now, some people don't believe in a Creator, they believe the universe as we know it, is a fluke, that all the wonders and amazement of life that we are surrounded by, simply happened by chance, and logic and order in our universe is merely circumstantial. That elements in the universe just happened to coalesce and form an intricately designed watch on the beach. I reject this idea because it defies the principles of logic, and doesn't make sense to me. Something greater than man is responsible for it, responsible for order and physics of our universe, responsible for life and for human existence. This force is our Creator, which endowed us with inalienable rights.
 
You're absolutely right, it has nothing to do with Christian beliefs. I am not a Christian believer. I think Jesus was a great speaker, and his teachings are of great value to mankind, but I do not believe he was the living son of God, as is required for all Christians to believe. I am fairly non-theological in my faith, I believe theology is a man-made construct, invented by men to explain something men are incapable of understanding or comprehending. This doesn't mean I don't believe in "God" or at least what you might call "God." I don't believe "God" has human attributes, or is a "being" of any kind. Most Christian-based religions do believe this, and that's okay with me, I have no problem with mankind adopting concepts to better understand and relate to the supreme driving force of our universe. Jesus was a man, not our Creator.

Now, some people don't believe in a Creator, they believe the universe as we know it, is a fluke, that all the wonders and amazement of life that we are surrounded by, simply happened by chance, and logic and order in our universe is merely circumstantial. That elements in the universe just happened to coalesce and form an intricately designed watch on the beach. I reject this idea because it defies the principles of logic, and doesn't make sense to me. Something greater than man is responsible for it, responsible for order and physics of our universe, responsible for life and for human existence. This force is our Creator, which endowed us with inalienable rights.

Doesn't a creator have to be a "being" of some kind?
 
You're absolutely right, it has nothing to do with Christian beliefs. I am not a Christian believer. I think Jesus was a great speaker, and his teachings are of great value to mankind, but I do not believe he was the living son of God, as is required for all Christians to believe. I am fairly non-theological in my faith, I believe theology is a man-made construct, invented by men to explain something men are incapable of understanding or comprehending. This doesn't mean I don't believe in "God" or at least what you might call "God." I don't believe "God" has human attributes, or is a "being" of any kind. Most Christian-based religions do believe this, and that's okay with me, I have no problem with mankind adopting concepts to better understand and relate to the supreme driving force of our universe. Jesus was a man, not our Creator.

Now, some people don't believe in a Creator, they believe the universe as we know it, is a fluke, that all the wonders and amazement of life that we are surrounded by, simply happened by chance, and logic and order in our universe is merely circumstantial. That elements in the universe just happened to coalesce and form an intricately designed watch on the beach. I reject this idea because it defies the principles of logic, and doesn't make sense to me. Something greater than man is responsible for it, responsible for order and physics of our universe, responsible for life and for human existence. This force is our Creator, which endowed us with inalienable rights.

Well Dixie, I defend your right to your beliefs. I was raised Catholic have different beliefs. But I subscribe to what my dad always said and how he lived his life; treat others the way you wish to be treated. IMO, that should be something all religions, atheists and nations should be able to agree on.



"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16).
 
Dixie, doesn't a creator have to be a being of some kind? It's kind of irrational to assert otherwise.

"Oh god isnt a being, but he created us and gave us our rights. " <<-- stupidity.
 
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