Let the hazing of Odonnel beginnings

klaatu said:
I like health care too.. but not this kind of Health Care which is simply a big scam on the Public. You know whats going to grow under this Health Care Scam? The Government and the very insurance Companies that you abhor ... all because of the mandate. Under this system I am very concerned for the people that are going to have to choose between paying for a mandated Health Insurance policy, A Car payment and a Mortgage Payment...because they fall somewhere between getting if free or reduced, and not having it provided through their work.... welcome to Obama's world.
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I guess we will have to wait and see if your dire prediction comes true...
 
Rana said:
I guess we will have to wait and see if your dire prediction comes true...
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Not convinced its ever going to get that far .... its either going to be shot down in the High Courts or its going to eventually get caught up in the repeal process.
 
klaatu said:
Not convinced its ever going to get that far .... its either going to be shot down in the High Courts or its going to eventually get caught up in the repeal process.
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What do you think of the prospects of shutting down the government to get rod of the health care bill, there is talk that this is one of the things the Tea bags will try! I don't think it was that effective in the 90's, why would they try it, again?
 
Rana said:
What do you think of the prospects of shutting down the government to get rod of the health care bill, there is talk that this is one of the things the Tea bags will try! I don't think it was that effective in the 90's, why would they try it, again?
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I havent heard about that .. I dont believe it will be necessary because I honestly believe that once it gets to the Supreme Court its going to be shot down based on the Ninth, Tenth Amendments and 14th amendments


Read the following and think about it :


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR2010031901470.html

The individual mandate.

Can Congress really require that every person purchase health insurance from a private company or face a penalty? The answer lies in the commerce clause of the Constitution, which grants Congress the power "to regulate commerce . . . among the several states." Historically, insurance contracts were not considered commerce, which referred to trade and carriage of merchandise. That's why insurance has traditionally been regulated by states. But the Supreme Court has long allowed Congress to regulate and prohibit all sorts of "economic" activities that are not, strictly speaking, commerce. The key is that those activities substantially affect interstate commerce, and that's how the court would probably view the regulation of health insurance.

But the individual mandate extends the commerce clause's power beyond economic activity, to economic inactivity. That is unprecedented. While Congress has used its taxing power to fund Social Security and Medicare, never before has it used its commerce power to mandate that an individual person engage in an economic transaction with a private company. Regulating the auto industry or paying "cash for clunkers" is one thing; making everyone buy a Chevy is quite another. Even during World War II, the federal government did not mandate that individual citizens purchase war bonds.

If you choose to drive a car, then maybe you can be made to buy insurance against the possibility of inflicting harm on others. But making you buy insurance merely because you are alive is a claim of power from which many Americans instinctively shrink. Senate Republicans made this objection, and it was defeated on a party-line vote, but it will return. .
 
Socrtease said:
No, there is no difference, they BOTH spend us into oblivion but it's ok because Mortermer Snerd gave us top 2% tax cuts and Alfred E. Nueman promises that everyone will have healthcare and it won't hurt the economy. They BOTH care fuckall for the bulk of us.
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So when it comes to health care what is the bottom line? You mention health care will hurt the economy but every industrialized nation has health care. Why it it they can do it and the US can't?

Are you saying the US can't afford to look after it's ill citizens?
 
Socrtease said:
No, there is no difference, they BOTH spend us into oblivion but it's ok because Mortermer Snerd gave us top 2% tax cuts and Alfred E. Nueman promises that everyone will have healthcare and it won't hurt the economy. They BOTH care fuckall for the bulk of us.
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Well jeez ... if only the top 2% received Tax Cuts why is there a debate over continuing across the board Tax Cuts?
 
apple0154 said:
So when it comes to health care what is the bottom line? You mention health care will hurt the economy but every industrialized nation has health care. Why it it they can do it and the US can't?

Are you saying the US can't afford to look after it's ill citizens?
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Look after? This statement is at the very fabric of the debate when discussing the difference between a desire for a Paternal form of federal government or a Government with limited powers. A Government that controls people or a Government that is controlled of and by the people.
 
she was a self confessed slut in college and now wants to tell kids not to have sex.
She had her house foreclosed and wants to preach financial responsibility.

She makes David Vitter look like a boy scout.
 
Topspin said:
she was a self confessed slut in college and now wants to tell kids not to have sex.
She had her house foreclosed and wants to preach financial responsibility.

She makes David Vitter look like a boy scout.
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And yet I still prefer her over her opponent ... try looking into his past ....
 
apple0154 said:
So when it comes to health care what is the bottom line? You mention health care will hurt the economy but every industrialized nation has health care. Why it it they can do it and the US can't?

Are you saying the US can't afford to look after it's ill citizens?
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Every nation that has gov't health care is going under, cutting back on options, and their rich have been coming here for treatment.
 
Liberty said:
Every nation that has gov't health care is going under, cutting back on options, and their rich have been coming here for treatment.
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I would have to see proof of this statement, sorry! I just haven't seen those stats in anything I have read.
 
Rana said:
I would have to see proof of this statement, sorry! I just haven't seen those stats in anything I have read.
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Liberty,

This is the information I found

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html USA 37th!

Although nations are struggling with healthcare costs, they still spend less than the USA
That's not to say the French have solved all health-care riddles. Like every other nation, France is wrestling with runaway health-care inflation. That has led to some hefty tax hikes, and France is now considering U.S.-style health-maintenance organization tactics to rein in costs. Still, some 65% of French citizens express satisfaction with their system, compared with 40% of U.S. residents. And France spends just 10.7% of its gross domestic product on health care, while the U.S. lays out 16%, more than any other nation.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_28/b4042070.htm

Where do they go for cancer treatment?
http://ezinearticles.com/?Where-Do-Celebrities-Go-For-Cancer-Treatment?&id=1318807
 
Rana said:
Liberty,

This is the information I found

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html USA 37th!

Although nations are struggling with healthcare costs, they still spend less than the USA
That's not to say the French have solved all health-care riddles. Like every other nation, France is wrestling with runaway health-care inflation. That has led to some hefty tax hikes, and France is now considering U.S.-style health-maintenance organization tactics to rein in costs. Still, some 65% of French citizens express satisfaction with their system, compared with 40% of U.S. residents. And France spends just 10.7% of its gross domestic product on health care, while the U.S. lays out 16%, more than any other nation.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_28/b4042070.htm

Where do they go for cancer treatment?
http://ezinearticles.com/?Where-Do-Celebrities-Go-For-Cancer-Treatment?&id=1318807
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They spend less because they get less.
 
Rana said:
Liberty,

This is the information I found

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html USA 37th!

Although nations are struggling with healthcare costs, they still spend less than the USA
That's not to say the French have solved all health-care riddles. Like every other nation, France is wrestling with runaway health-care inflation. That has led to some hefty tax hikes, and France is now considering U.S.-style health-maintenance organization tactics to rein in costs. Still, some 65% of French citizens express satisfaction with their system, compared with 40% of U.S. residents. And France spends just 10.7% of its gross domestic product on health care, while the U.S. lays out 16%, more than any other nation.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_28/b4042070.htm

Where do they go for cancer treatment?
http://ezinearticles.com/?Where-Do-Celebrities-Go-For-Cancer-Treatment?&id=1318807
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That's nonsense.

The more govt, the more problems.

My wife comes from Europe, and she can't believe the American people are so uneducated about something so simple.
 
Damn Yankee said:
They spend less because they get less.
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And that's including my money that my govt gives them.

Really, one could say, "my healthcare money". If I could just be left alone, and govt was out of healthcare, I would be able to more easily take care of myself.
 
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill


The dyslexic transformation is complete, America now is a place where the worst crook, the greatest idiot, the worst buffoon, is praised so long as they are in step with corporate interests and are anti government. America should have known something was brewing in the water when Palin stood proud and strong with a pregnant daughter accepting praise and adulation of an adoring crowd. Once that would have been frowned on, now it has attained nobility. Just as Putin flew over Alaska imparting wisdom into Sarah's mind, Rush of the wingnut airwaves has spoken and the people of Hamelin follow.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...-the-bright-side-102923734.html#ixzz0zcpCiVaF

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/09/16/christine_odonnell_post_primary/

http://www.tnr.com/print/article/po...tjobs-november-beyond-rand-paul-sharron-angle

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/the-tea-party-glossary

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/77824/will-the-tea-parties-revive-the-christian-right

http://www.thecontract.org/
 
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