Into the Night
Verified User
The Supreme Court has no authority to change the Constitution.
They cannot force Louisiana to remove the Ten Commandments from anywhere.
Louisiana will require the 10 Commandments displayed in every public school classroom
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They cannot force Louisiana to remove the Ten Commandments from anywhere.
Into the Night
Verified User
Compositional error fallacy. I am not talking about the entire Constitution, Commie. I'm talking about the 1st amendment, which does not apply to the States.
Horseshit.
Jefferson used federal funds to help support St. John's Church - which your party tried to burn down in 2020 during the Floyd Insurrection.
Only when it PROHIBITS posting them.
Liberty is such a difficult concept and so distasteful to you Marxists.
A passive display is not mandating anything.
No one is compelled to believe, profess, recite, or even read anything.
The mere presence must be suppressed according to you anti-civil rights types.
Good thing no such requirement exists.
Notice how you can't discuss this honestly? Only by dishonestly claiming there is some sort of requirement can you fabricate an excuse for censoring ideas that offend you.
Freedom of speech - which you so aggressively oppose comes down to the idea that I can say whatever I like, and you can say whatever you like. If what I say offends you, all the better. What you promote certainly offends a civil libertarian like me.
What you can't grasp is that you can't use the government to silence, to censor speech that offends you. I grew up with Taoist principles plastered on the walls of a public high school - it provided a broader perspective. But you fear knowledge, you want to ensure that ideas that run contrary to your party are suppressed.
Guno צְבִי
Am Yisrael Chai
The Ten Commandments are not universal because they were written with a specific audience in mind. Exodus 20:2 states, "I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slaves".
AProudLefty
Black Kitty Ain't Happy
No shit, Sherlock?
You worried someone is taking your business? That you may lose a quarter?
AProudLefty
Black Kitty Ain't Happy
They can and will.
You have no authority to determine what the Supreme Court can do. Your opinion does not override the Constitution, U. S. history, or court decisions.
evince
Truthmatters
You miss the entire point. I favor complete free speech. It is not government that is censoring speech, it is government passing a law/policy that has no secular purpose. There is nothing secular about requirng a school to post the 10 Commandments.
Is it government censorship to strike down a law requiring students to being class with a prayer or attend church on Sunday? No, it is striking down law which government requires religious conduct.
You should do some research about the controversy about chaplains in the military or Congress. Whatever Jefferson did does not override what Madison or other founders did. There was a wide variety of opinions by the men writing the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
If government (federal, state, local) requires a school to post the 10 commandments that violates the establishment clause because it requires religious conduct. Government cannot help or hinder religion. What would be the purpose to displaying the Commandments eves it is not religious?
Until 1925-1947 when a series of court decisions made most (but not all) of the Bill of Right applicable to the states. Then, most of the other rights were made applicable through a serious of court decisions. The last decision was in 2010 when the 2nd amendment was extended to the states. This is called the incorporation process.
The original purpose of the Bill of Rights was to limit the powers of the federal government; therefore, they applied only to the fedeal government. The 1st amendment says "Congress shall pass no law." "Congress shall pass no law" was not repeated for each of the other amendments but was intended to apply to them as well since the purpose of all the Bill of Rights to only to retrict the central government.
Into the Night and his socks recognizes the intent and wording of the 1st amendment to restrict federal action. However, they do not recognize the incorporation process that extended these to the states.
Also, since "Congress shall make no law" was not repeated for the 2-8th amendments, they think those amendments apply to both federal and state governments although nothing in the wording says that. So, because they do not recognized Supreme Court case law they completely distort the interpretation.
Wrong. It mandates government (schools) post a copy of the 10 commandments in all classrooms.
Only fascists favor a government powerful enough to dictate or prohibit religious activities. Libertarians favor limited government that remains neutral toward religion.
That does not mean we want government to suppress religion, it means we do not want government to mandate or prohibit religion. You have the concept backward.
The mere presence does not need to be suppressed when the activites are initiated by private organizations in non-governmental locations. A church can put a manger scene on church or private property but government cannot require that scene on government grounds.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
I put up with some serious religious discrimination at the high school I attended. This crap cannot be tolerated as a violation of our rights. I don’t want any kids force fed someone else’s religion. It’s not a pleasant experience for the kids who experience this form of bigotry. I can tell you that from personal experience.
Guno צְבִי
Am Yisrael Chai
The headlines could have read, “Sacred Jewish text to be posted in Louisiana classrooms; most Jews are opposed.”
That headline would have been correct.
Yes, Louisiana Gov. Jeff Landry has signed a law that mandates the Ten Commandments be posted in every public education classroom in the state — the first state to do so.
And, yes, the Ten Commandments are a sacred Jewish text (known as the aseret ha-dibrot, the 10 utterances), which is not the reason why he has made that a mandate. I doubt he has reflected overly much on their Jewish origin
But, no, this rabbi is not happy about this. I daresay I speak for many if not most Jews in America in voicing my displeasure and my concern.
www.sltrib.com
www.sltrib.com
That headline would have been correct.
Yes, Louisiana Gov. Jeff Landry has signed a law that mandates the Ten Commandments be posted in every public education classroom in the state — the first state to do so.
And, yes, the Ten Commandments are a sacred Jewish text (known as the aseret ha-dibrot, the 10 utterances), which is not the reason why he has made that a mandate. I doubt he has reflected overly much on their Jewish origin
But, no, this rabbi is not happy about this. I daresay I speak for many if not most Jews in America in voicing my displeasure and my concern.
Commentary: Why the posting of the Ten Commandments is wrong and should offend all religions
Columnist Jeffrey Salkin of Religion News Service explains why it's wrong for government to post the Ten Commandments.
Commentary: Why the posting of the Ten Commandments is wrong and should offend all religions
Columnist Jeffrey Salkin of Religion News Service explains why it's wrong for government to post the Ten Commandments.
That is clearly not true. You seek to use the power of government to censor speech you oppose.
"Secular" is not the established religion - though you demand it be.
No such law exists. As I said - you cannot defend your assault on free speech honestly - you have to make dishonest claims of forced prayers and other things that simply don't exist.
No conduct is required from passive displays.
You cannot defend your assault on free speech honestly - you have to make dishonest claims of forced prayers and other things that simply don't exist.
And?
This compels no action by the students/
Only fascists seek to censor ideas they oppose using the power of the state.
Correct, libertarians oppose censorship of speech. Fascists support "managed speech" where government dictates what may or may not be said or displayed.
You do, though. You openly demand that government suppress ideas you oppose.
Passive displays mandate nothing. It appears you support an established religion of "secularism" and are offended that states may violate the official religion.
And yet those such as you routinely attack private organizations who dare express ideals in contrast to the established religion.
Can government prohibit that scene? Hint - they do all the time.
NakedHunterBiden
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I'm not concerned. This will get slapped down hard as it should be.
TOP
Retired Teacher
That isn't a problem here now is it? (Our public schools follow Jewish holidays, etc.... No one seems to complain...
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Posting the 10 commandments is "bigotry?"
I think you'll find the actual bigot in a mirror.
By whom? This is predicated on a SCOTUS decision - who do you see censoring these displays?
Government schools are a bad idea. People have different values. The left wants to groom children to be trans or gay - the right wants to guide children to moral beliefs based on Biblical principles.
The left is outraged that the 10 Commandments aren't censored - for fear that exposure could hamper grooming efforts. The Right is angered that the left sexualizes very young children and grooms them to the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ lifestyle.
Government shouldn't be involved in this - in schools. Let parents alone decide what school their child attends and what values they wish to instill in those children.