New here. Reluctantly red-pilled

AProudLefty said:
Pleasantville and The Truman Show are two perfect movies to watch about being red/blue pilled.
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Excellent observation and agreed.

This article is from the Adventist makes an interesting correlation between Jesus, Red-pill champion and the conservative establishment, Blue-pill proponents. It even mentions Pleasantville. :)

https://atoday.org/red-or-blue-pill-a-challenge-for-church-lifers/
There are many examples in scripture that describe a matrix culture. Jesus often argued with the church elite in his day over tradition vs real worship. One time, blue pill leaders questioned Jesus why the disciples were doing things differently and not washing their hands like the other conformists. Jesus’ reply was swift and cutting:

Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.” You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions – Mark 7:6-8(NIV).

Jesus nailed it in that last sentence. They were plugged into their own concocted world and failed to see the big picture. The blue pill poppers, the lifers, had become too familiar and dependent on the system of rules and teachings for their own selfish emotional fulfilment. They had worshipped the church, its buildings and its benefits instead of the One who gave them those things. They worshipped the gift and not the Giver.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Excellent observation and agreed.

This article is from the Adventist makes an interesting correlation between Jesus, Red-pill champion and the conservative establishment, Blue-pill proponents. It even mentions Pleasantville. :)

https://atoday.org/red-or-blue-pill-a-challenge-for-church-lifers/
There are many examples in scripture that describe a matrix culture. Jesus often argued with the church elite in his day over tradition vs real worship. One time, blue pill leaders questioned Jesus why the disciples were doing things differently and not washing their hands like the other conformists. Jesus’ reply was swift and cutting:

Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.” You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions – Mark 7:6-8(NIV).

Jesus nailed it in that last sentence. They were plugged into their own concocted world and failed to see the big picture. The blue pill poppers, the lifers, had become too familiar and dependent on the system of rules and teachings for their own selfish emotional fulfilment. They had worshipped the church, its buildings and its benefits instead of the One who gave them those things. They worshipped the gift and not the Giver.
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Other two movies, not as good as those two, are good about that too. "Equilibrium" and "The Giver". Christian Bale played in the first one and Jeff Bridges in the latter. And I just noticed the word "Giver" in the quote. LOL.
 
AProudLefty said:
Other two movies, not as good as those two, are good about that too. "Equilibrium" and "The Giver". Christian Bale played in the first one and Jeff Bridges in the latter. And I just noticed the word "Giver" in the quote. LOL.
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The Equilibrium was the better of the two. Despite the religious angle of the Adventist article, it shows the choice people have in seeing the truth or remaining in ignorance be it the Tree of Knowledge, multiple Biblical references to removing scales from one's eyes or even Star Wars where Luke learns the truth nature of his reality/destiny.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The movie was released April 1999. The Millennial New Year and Y2K were still 8 months in the future....much less 9/11 and the 2000 election fiasco.
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I'm aware of the movie, and I'm sure I've caught snippets on HBO, etc.. I was just never really interested in fantasy. Are you saying it was prophetic?
 
Althea said:
I'm aware of the movie, and I'm sure I've caught snippets on HBO, etc.. I was just never really interested in fantasy. Are you saying it was prophetic?
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No, as discussed with APL, it's one of great dilemmas facing people.

Consider this real life dilemma: An abused wife staying with her husband. She takes the Blue Pill. If she took the Red Pill, she'd escape one way or another.
 
jakemax said:
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Whose is it?
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he's mind fucked.....it doesn't matter whose it is......
 
Dutch Uncle said:
No, as discussed with APL, it's one of great dilemmas facing people.

Consider this real life dilemma: An abused wife staying with her husband. She takes the Blue Pill. If she took the Red Pill, she'd escape one way or another.
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So in the movie, people chose the pill that they took?
 
Althea said:
So in the movie, people chose the pill that they took?
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Yes. The Blue Pill is the default, people take it by doing nothing. The Red Pill is action. Maybe why it's red. Nothing to do with politics, but probably something to do with anger. The aforementioned abused wife would have to be mad before she'd have the strength to leave. Hiding and refusing to do anything is the default.
 
Fun fact: "The Truman Show" is a part satire about the media and the advertisements.

Hey I just remember another good movie! "They Live", directed by John Carpenter.

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AProudLefty said:
Fun fact: "The Truman Show" is a part satire about the media and the advertisements.

Hey I just remember another good movie! "They Live", directed by John Carpenter.

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Mocking Reality TV. Too many people living their lives vicariously through the Boob Tube. Now we have one of the biggest Boobs in Reality TV serving as PABOTUS.

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AProudLefty said:
In a nutshell, yep. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
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An interesting concept and it completely fits with the nature of man and free trade.

Note that the "for-profit" aspect shoots a hole in the RWNJ theory of "Left-Wing Media controlled by Jewish Globalization".

The propaganda model for the manufacture of public consent describes five editorially distorting filters, which are applied to the reporting of news in mass communications media. These five filters of editorial bias are:

  1. Size, ownership, and profit orientation: The dominant mass-media outlets are large profit-based operations, and therefore they must cater to the financial interests of the owners such as corporations and controlling investors. The size of a media company is a consequence of the investment capital required for the mass-communications technology required to reach a mass audience of viewers, listeners, and readers.
  2. The advertising license to do business: Since the majority of the revenue of major media outlets derives from advertising (not from sales or subscriptions), advertisers have acquired a "de facto licensing authority."[10] Media outlets are not commercially viable without the support of advertisers. News media must therefore cater to the political prejudices and economic desires of their advertisers. This has weakened the working class press, for example, and also helps explain the attrition in the number of newspapers.
  3. Sourcing mass media news: Herman and Chomsky argue that "the large bureaucracies of the powerful subsidize the mass media, and gain special access [to the news], by their contribution to reducing the media's costs of acquiring [...] and producing, news. The large entities that provide this subsidy become 'routine' news sources and have privileged access to the gates. Non-routine sources must struggle for access, and may be ignored by the arbitrary decision of the gatekeepers." Editorial distortion is aggravated by the news media's dependence upon private and governmental news sources. If a given newspaper, television station, magazine, etc., incurs disfavor from the sources, it is subtly excluded from access to information. Consequently, it loses readers or viewers, and ultimately, advertisers. To minimize such financial danger, news media businesses editorially distort their reporting to favor government and corporate policies in order to stay in business.[11]
  4. Flak and the enforcers: "Flak" refers to negative responses to a media statement or program (e.g. letters, complaints, lawsuits, or legislative actions). Flak can be expensive to the media, either due to loss of advertising revenue, or due to the costs of legal defense or defense of the media outlet's public image. Flak can be organized by powerful, private influence groups (e.g. think tanks). The prospect of eliciting flak can be a deterrent to the reporting of certain kinds of facts or opinions.[11]
  5. Anti-communism/war on terror: Anti-communism was included as a filter in the original 1988 edition of the book, but Chomsky argues that since the end of the Cold War (1945–91) anticommunism was replaced by the "war on terror" as the major social control mechanism.
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