Obama Booed at All-Star Game In St. Louis

That's nice.

The point still remains that the US is not a popular destination for British health tourists due to distance and, most importantly, cost.

So this is the type of healthcare YOU want for everyone?


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The British officials who established NICE in the late 1990s pitched it as a body that would ensure that the government-run National Health System used “best practices” in medicine. As the Guardian reported in 1998: “Health ministers are setting up [NICE], designed to ensure that every treatment, operation, or medicine used is the proven best. It will root out under-performing doctors and useless treatments, spreading best practices everywhere.”

What NICE has become in practice is a rationing board. As health costs have exploded in Britain as in most developed countries, NICE has become the heavy that reduces spending by limiting the treatments that 61 million citizens are allowed to receive through the NHS. For example:

In March, NICE ruled against the use of two drugs, Lapatinib and Sutent, that prolong the life of those with certain forms of breast and stomach cancer. This followed on a 2008 ruling against drugs — including Sutent, which costs about $50,000 — that would help terminally ill kidney-cancer patients. After last year’s ruling, Peter Littlejohns, NICE’s clinical and public health director, noted that “there is a limited pot of money,” that the drugs were of “marginal benefit at quite often an extreme cost,” and the money might be better spent elsewhere.

In 2007, the board restricted access to two drugs for macular degeneration, a cause of blindness. The drug Macugen was blocked outright. The other, Lucentis, was limited to a particular category of individuals with the disease, restricting it to about one in five sufferers. Even then, the drug was only approved for use in one eye, meaning those lucky enough to get it would still go blind in the other. As Andrew Dillon, the chief executive of NICE, explained at the time: “When treatments are very expensive, we have to use them where they give the most benefit to patients.”

NICE has limited the use of Alzheimer’s drugs, including Aricept, for patients in the early stages of the disease. Doctors in the U.K. argued vociferously that the most effective way to slow the progress of the disease is to give drugs at the first sign of dementia. NICE ruled the drugs were not “cost effective” in early stages.

Other NICE rulings include the rejection of Kineret, a drug for rheumatoid arthritis; Avonex, which reduces the relapse rate in patients with multiple sclerosis; and lenalidomide, which fights multiple myeloma. Private U.S. insurers often cover all, or at least portions, of the cost of many of these NICE-denied drugs.

NICE has also produced guidance that restrains certain surgical operations and treatments. NICE has restrictions on fertility treatments, as well as on procedures for back pain, including surgeries and steroid injections. The U.K. has recently been absorbed by the cases of several young women who developed cervical cancer after being denied pap smears by a related health authority, the Cervical Screening Programme, which in order to reduce government health-care spending has refused the screens to women under age 25.

We could go on. NICE is the target of frequent protests and lawsuits, and at times under political pressure has reversed or watered-down its rulings. But it has by now established the principle that the only way to control health-care costs is for this panel of medical high priests to dictate limits on certain kinds of care to certain classes of patients.

The NICE board even has a mathematical formula for doing so, based on a “quality adjusted life year.” While the guidelines are complex, NICE currently holds that, except in unusual cases, Britain cannot afford to spend more than about $22,000 to extend a life by six months. Why $22,000? It seems to be arbitrary, calculated mainly based on how much the government wants to spend on health care. That figure has remained fairly constant since NICE was established and doesn’t adjust for either overall or medical inflation.

Proponents argue that such cost-benefit analysis has to figure into health-care decisions, and that any medical system rations care in some way. And it is true that U.S. private insurers also deny reimbursement for some kinds of care. The core issue is whether those decisions are going to be dictated by the brute force of politics (NICE) or by prices (a private insurance system).

The last six months of life are a particularly difficult moral issue because that is when most health-care spending occurs. But who would you rather have making decisions about whether a treatment is worth the price — the combination of you, your doctor and a private insurer, or a government board that cuts everyone off at $22,000?

One virtue of a private system is that competition allows choice and experimentation. To take an example from one of our recent editorials, Medicare today refuses to reimburse for the new, less invasive preventive treatment known as a virtual colonoscopy, but such private insurers as Cigna and United Healthcare do. As clinical evidence accumulates on the virtual colonoscopy, doctors and insurers will be able to adjust their practices accordingly. NICE merely issues orders, and patients have little recourse.

This has medical consequences. The Concord study published in 2008 showed that cancer survival rates in Britain are among the worst in Europe. Five-year survival rates among U.S. cancer patients are also significantly higher than in Europe: 84% vs. 73% for breast cancer, 92% vs. 57% for prostate cancer. While there is more than one reason for this difference, surely one is medical innovation and the greater U.S. willingness to reimburse for it.

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The NICE precedent also undercuts the Obama Administration’s argument that vast health savings can be gleaned simply by automating health records or squeezing out “waste.” Britain has tried all of that but ultimately has concluded that it can only rein in costs by limiting care. The logic of a health-care system dominated by government is that it always ends up with some version of a NICE board that makes these life-or-death treatment decisions. The Administration’s new Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research currently lacks the authority of NICE. But over time, if the Obama plan passes and taxpayer costs inevitably soar, it could quickly gain it.

Mr. Obama and Democrats claim they can expand subsidies for tens of millions of Americans, while saving money and improving the quality of care. It can’t possibly be done. The inevitable result of their plan will be some version of a NICE board that will tell millions of Americans that they are too young, or too old, or too sick to be worth paying to care for.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124692973435303415.html
 
So this is the type of healthcare YOU want for everyone?

Er...i simply made the point that British health tourists do not see the US as a popular destination due to distance and cost in reply to your assertion that seizable numbers of Brits are heading to the US for treatment.

You then went off on some weird tangent?
 
And now a video of a bald Tory MEP?

Does he address the point that British health tourists do not see the US as a popular destination due to distance and cost in reply to your assertion that seizable numbers of Brits are heading to the US for treatment?

Just to save me wasting my time.
 
Rich Brits fly to the US for treatment- common knowledge. *shrug*

Who's arguing with that?

As you may remember from last time you started talking bollocks (about health tourism, just to be specific) we established that the numbers are very small as most people, if paying for their own treatment, prefer to be treated in private UK hospitals or European hospitals.

Let's not go through it all again there's a good chap.
 
Real Clear Politics... the Poll of Polls...

Obama approval rating... total 6.5% drop since inauguration week.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html


Sorry son, the news is getting worse for your boy


Cost, Not Universal Coverage, is Top Health Care Concern for Voters

Saturday, July 18, 2009

Sixty-one percent (61%) of voters nationwide say that cost is the biggest health care problem facing the nation today. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 21% believe the lack of universal health insurance coverage is a bigger problem.

Only 10% believe the quality of care is the top concern, and two percent (2%) point to the inconvenience factor of dealing with the current medical system.

Given a choice between health care reform and a tax hike or no health care reform and no tax hike, 47% would prefer to avoid the tax hike and do without reform. Forty-one percent (41%) take the opposite view

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...overage_is_top_health_care_concern_for_voters



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A WWII vet in the UK has to go blind in one eye before the government will "approve" him for a drug that will fight the blindness in the other eye

Liberalism is so compassonate - if it is affordable
That's not compassion- its giving leftovers to the underlings. *shrug*
 
That's not compassion- its giving leftovers to the underlings. *shrug*

and that is the same type of of healthcare Obama and the Dems want to allow the peasents to have

Remember, Congress and unions are EXEMPT from Obamacare

Even though Obama said during the campaign, the folks should have the same healthcare as members of Congress have :rolleyes:
 
and that is the same type of of healthcare Obama and the Dems want to allow the peasents to have

Remember, Congress and unions are EXEMPT from Obamacare

Even though Obama said during the campaign, the folks should have the same healthcare as members of Congress have :rolleyes:
Another Obamalie? :eek:
 
I can tell you right now not according to Conmanfrommaine. Obama's words were taken out of context, and voters do not understand how complex the issue really is :rolleyes:
Obviously they are lying about something then. First they tell us that they are smarter than republicans. Then they tell us "Bush lied" and "didn't plan out the Iraq war" properly to predict to the day when it would be over. Bush had spotty intelligence reports and an enemy trying to be as unpredictable as possible while Obama has data on health care costs presented to him by the CBO.

Either the Democrats are lying about being smarter or they're lying about heath care. *shrug*
 
Obviously they are lying about something then. First they tell us that they are smarter than republicans. Then they tell us "Bush lied" and "didn't plan out the Iraq war" properly to predict to the day when it would be over. Bush had spotty intelligence reports and an enemy trying to be as unpredictable as possible while Obama has data on health care costs presented to him by the CBO.

Either the Democrats are lying about being smarter or they're lying about heath care. *shrug*

More like they are lying about both Southern Man. Conmanfrommaine makes it way to easy to catch him in his never ending lies
 
Sorry son, the news is getting worse for your boy


Cost, Not Universal Coverage, is Top Health Care Concern for Voters

Saturday, July 18, 2009

Sixty-one percent (61%) of voters nationwide say that cost is the biggest health care problem facing the nation today. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 21% believe the lack of universal health insurance coverage is a bigger problem.

Only 10% believe the quality of care is the top concern, and two percent (2%) point to the inconvenience factor of dealing with the current medical system.

Given a choice between health care reform and a tax hike or no health care reform and no tax hike, 47% would prefer to avoid the tax hike and do without reform. Forty-one percent (41%) take the opposite view

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...overage_is_top_health_care_concern_for_voters

And 61% are right. I'm part of that 61% and have been for quite some time. I believe a serious look into the cost of health care would net us some serious Pentagon Hammer style cost-cutting.
 
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