Obamacare would outlaw individual private coverage.

bravo said:
Only the willfully ignorant would try to pass off the "democratic underground" or "media matters" as legitimate sources for news....and WTF is "newsone-blackplanet" ?


Let me dumb it down for you, mastermind. All three sites use bonafide references to certified news sources, quotations in nationally recognized papers and broadcast stations that can contradict the neocon noise machines either with verifide facts or their own words. Willfully ignorant Neocon parrots NEVER discuss the content, they just read the titles and squawk in panic. Typical, but not unexpected. So like Southie, either directly address the content and logically/factually disprove what is said or just STFU.

What a fuckin' joke.... if the cons source FOX news or a link to Drudge, we get crucified... Yes, and they are crucified by logically/factually proving when, where and how Drudge gets some things totally ass backwards. But getting something wrong has never stopped the neocon noise machine....they just ignore it and repeat themselves ad nauseum.

Its no wonder this Clarabell is card carrying member of the JACKASS PARTY....
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What a fitting ending to a completely useless diatribe by our resident intellectually impudent yet emotionally steroided neocon macho man. Bravo, indeed! :rolleyes:
 
Taichiliberal said:
Really? So in your excuse for a mind, new conservatives are all jews, neocon (an abbreviation for new conservative) is a "code word" for a racial slur....yet all the non-jewish pundits that I mentioned above are being slurred by a jewish code word? And this is compared to "someone calling a white guy nigger"...although to date I have not heard of this practice beyond the drivel written by white supremacists like David Duke. Now of course, you'll spend an inordinate amount of time scanning the web for examples that will support your nonsense.....which is more time than you spend actually READING any material provided by me regarding the original topic of discussion. Like I said before Southie, you're just frustrated that you can't BS your way past me on these boards. You can have the last predictable claims and words if you're not going to adhere to a simple burden of proof.
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Looks like you're finally getting it: neocon is a code word for a racial slur. So stop being a bore and stop using it.

Spend some time as a white guy in Boston during the 1960's through 1980's (I can't attest that they still use the term, but I suspect that they do) and you'll here the term "nigger" used to denigrate non-blacks.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Really? So in your excuse for a mind, new conservatives are all jews, neocon (an abbreviation for new conservative) is a "code word" for a racial slur....yet all the non-jewish pundits that I mentioned above are being slurred by a jewish code word? And this is compared to "someone calling a white guy nigger"...although to date I have not heard of this practice beyond the drivel written by white supremacists like David Duke. Now of course, you'll spend an inordinate amount of time scanning the web for examples that will support your nonsense.....which is more time than you spend actually READING any material provided by me regarding the original topic of discussion. Like I said before Southie, you're just frustrated that you can't BS your way past me on these boards. You can have the last predictable claims and words if you're not going to adhere to a simple burden of proof.
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Southern Man said:
Looks like you're finally getting it: neocon is a code word for a racial slur. So stop being a bore and stop using it. What's your proof, you braying jackass? Some idiot blogger? Where do either of you provide bonafide proof that being a "new conservative" is the sole intellectual property of Jewish people? NONE of the people credited for putting forth this ideology make that claim....only dishonest little cretins like you who use it as a false accusation to shield your moronic statements from criticism. Is NewsMax owned and operated only by Jews? Is Murdoch Jewish? Karl Rove? William Bennett? As "lib" is short for liberals, neocon is short for new conservatives...many of which can be found as authors of the PNAC (look it up, get educated). Like I've tried to school you these many months, repeating your BS ad nauseum won't make it a bonafide fact or logical. But somehow, I doubt you'll stop trying.

Spend some time as a white guy in Boston during the 1960's through 1980's (I can't attest that they still use the term, but I suspect that they do) and you'll here the term "nigger" used to denigrate non-blacks.
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Just as I suspected....you've got NOTHING except your opinion...which isn't worth a damn, given your penchant for BS, dodging and lying. The challenge was for you to prove YOUR statement that blacks called whites "niggers".....it wasn't about "non-blacks" in general.

Say good night gracie....shows over for you.
 
Let's rehash:

Taichiliberal said:
...have you found an explanation as to why Hannity, Limbaugh, Crowley, Beck, Buchannan, Malkin, Murdoch are labeled neocons despite not fitting your criteria (i.e., non-Jewish)? Because if you can't, then you're just full of it. Carry on.
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Southern Man said:
Probably the same reason that someone would call a white guy nigger. *shrug*
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Taichiliberal said:
...The challenge was for you to prove YOUR statement that blacks called whites "niggers".....it wasn't about "non-blacks" in general....
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I think I see the problem with you: simple reading comprehension. *shrug*
 
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Southern Man said:
Let's rehash:


Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
...have you found an explanation as to why Hannity, Limbaugh, Crowley, Beck, Buchannan, Malkin, Murdoch are labeled neocons despite not fitting your criteria (i.e., non-Jewish)? Because if you can't, then you're just full of it. Carry on.
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Originally Posted by Southern Man
Probably the same reason that someone would call a white guy nigger. *shrug*
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[emp added]
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
...The challenge was for you to prove YOUR statement that blacks called whites "niggers".....it wasn't about "non-blacks" in general....
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I think I see the problem with you: simple reading comprehension. *shrug*
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All one has to do is just clik back and follow the chronology of the posts, read them in their entirety, and see how YOU tried to LIE about what transpired with out of context (and sequence) quotes.

Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Obamacare would outlaw individual private coverage.

Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Obamacare would outlaw individual private coverage.

I've told you time and again, you can't lie when there is a recorded post/thread that people can read and see for themselves your attempt to distort reality. History has proven that the racial slur you use here is specifically related to black folk in America. Logic and history dictates that NO ONE uses a specific racial slur against some that does not fit the description. The ONLY proof you have of your absurd claim is your personal recollections from over 20 years.....given your penchant for dishonesty, that is a dubious claim at best. Of course, you'll just keep repeating yourself in denial of the evidence...which shows what a complete ass you are. Shrug on, my little willfully ignorant neocon parrot. I'm done with you here.
 
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red states rule said:
Looks like Republicans were right when they warned us that Obamacare would take away your private health ins



It's Not An Option
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY * Posted Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:20 PM PT

Congress: It didn't take long to run into an "uh-oh" moment when reading the House's "health care for all Americans" bill. Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal.

When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.

It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," the "Limitation On New Enrollment" section of the bill clearly states:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.

So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised — with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.

From the beginning, opponents of the public option plan have warned that if the government gets into the business of offering subsidized health insurance coverage, the private insurance market will wither. Drawn by a public option that will be 30% to 40% cheaper than their current premiums because taxpayers will be funding it, employers will gladly scrap their private plans and go with Washington's coverage.

The nonpartisan Lewin Group estimated in April that 120 million or more Americans could lose their group coverage at work and end up in such a program. That would leave private carriers with 50 million or fewer customers. This could cause the market to, as Lewin Vice President John Sheils put it, "fizzle out altogether."

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=332548165656854
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They won't be able to screw us anymore, that is a good thing! Private insurance won't be able to charge outlandish prices and they won't be able to deny coverage! Oh, that is such a terrible thing for Americans! It just makes me sad! Do you think employers are really going to care if they don't have to supply healthcare for their workers? Isn't that what broke the bank with some small businesses? To compete and get good workers you have to have benefits are salaries to compensate! I know some business owners that will be glad to have the cost off their backs!
 
ib1yysguy said:
Considering all they do is post videos of your mouthpieces so people can see what they say and hold them accountable for their words, I can see why you'd hate them. You guys HATE facts and reality.
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This is her pat answer for anything from media matters and has been for a very long time! she is a wiener! or is it a savage?
 
Make no mistake: the cost of our health care is a threat to our economy. It is a ticking time bomb for the federal budget. And it is unsustainable for the United States of America.

If we do not fix our health care system, America may go the way of GM; paying more, getting less, and going broke.

There are already voices saying the numbers don't add up. They are wrong.

A public health care plan would inject competition into the health care market that forces waste out of the system and keeps the insurance companies honest.
 
More things in the Obamacare bill. Read them and try to explain why these are good things


Shock: Inside the Healthcare Bill

Following the mad recommendations of Peter Singer made in NYT's Sunday magazine, it pays to take a look at what is actually in the healthcare bill.

It's worse than you can possibly imagine. Somehow, it manages to be Singer on steroids. Who wrote this bill. It has Singer's footprints all over it.

Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings. This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman's)

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!


Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs


http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf

and

http://economicpolicyjournal.com/
 
it seems the GOP is up to it's same old tricks.

President Obama has been very forthcoming in revelaing that if you have insurance through your employer or the private market, you can keep that insurance.

However, if you can't afford health insurance, as many people can't, then you should be able to buy into a public plan.

Your scare tactics aren't going to work. Americans are ready for fundamental change.

Are you being paid by the insurance lobby?

Doing nothing means that you’re going to lose what you have , because on the current trajectory, premiums are going to double again over the next five to 10 years.
 
DNC said:
it seems the GOP is up to it's same old tricks.

President Obama has been very forthcoming in revelaing that if you have insurance through your employer or the private market, you can keep that insurance.

However, if you can't afford health insurance, as many people can't, then you should be able to buy into a public plan.

Your scare tactics aren't going to work. Americans are ready for fundamental change.

Are you being paid by the insurance lobby?

Doing nothing means that you’re going to lose what you have , because on the current trajectory, premiums are going to double again over the next five to 10 years.
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I posted the bill - read it or continue to uniformed and liberal hack
 
red states rule said:
More things in the Obamacare bill. Read them and try to explain why these are good things


Shock: Inside the Healthcare Bill

Following the mad recommendations of Peter Singer made in NYT's Sunday magazine, it pays to take a look at what is actually in the healthcare bill.

It's worse than you can possibly imagine. Somehow, it manages to be Singer on steroids. Who wrote this bill. It has Singer's footprints all over it.

Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings. This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman's)

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!


Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs


http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf

and

http://economicpolicyjournal.com/
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Dang.
 
Damocles said:
Dang.
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Anyone who thinks these clowns give a rat's ass about our health care is sadly mistaken. This whole damn thing is nothing but a smoke screen to hide another one of their taxes. Want proof?

The Congressional Budget Office estimated the fines would raise around $36 billion over 10 years

I am waiting to see what the Obama lovers have to say about what is in this bill. I doubt if they will comment - the facts are way much for them to overcome

They will probably attack me for posting what is in the bill
 
red states rule said:
More things in the Obamacare bill. Read them and try to explain why these are good things


Shock: Inside the Healthcare Bill

Following the mad recommendations of Peter Singer made in NYT's Sunday magazine, it pays to take a look at what is actually in the healthcare bill.

It's worse than you can possibly imagine. Somehow, it manages to be Singer on steroids. Who wrote this bill. It has Singer's footprints all over it.

Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings. This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman's)

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!


Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs


http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf

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http://economicpolicyjournal.com/
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Evidently you did not (or will not) read what the links provide. FYI:
The deal is that the actual bill is over 1,000 pages long, it is written in legalese rather than English, and it is set in the middle of a large array of other legislation that it must work around without destroying. This necessarily means that it does some nifty tricks to side-step some of the implications. For example: For employer-provided health insurance meeting requirements for deduction as health care coverage under federal law, federal regulation already applies via ERISA. But private plans (those individually purchased) are regulated by the states under the provisions of the McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945, which places private health insurance under state control.


So the question is how to enforce the mandates upon insurers -- the must-issue and the flat-rate-pool mandates -- without overturning McCarran-Ferguson. Neither Congress nor the majority of states want the Federal government to be in the business of regulating insurance in general. Simply amending McCarran-Ferguson to exclude health insurance as a state-regulated class doesn't work either, because it's not all health insurance that Congress wants to regulate, just primary health insurance. Supplemental policies are of supreme disinterest to Congress and they're quite happy to let the states continue regulating those. Besides, insurers could raise some legal actions if Congress tried to regulate already-issued insurance that was issued under McCarran-Ferguson.


So the solution that the wonk assigned the task of making this happen arrived at was to create a new ERISA-eligible group for all future private insurance to be offered through -- the Health Insurance Exchange. This starts on page 72 of the bill. Since it is an ERISA-eligible group, it can be regulated through ERISA without touching McCarran-Ferguson in general. But then comes the task of how to make all private insurance be offered via the Exchange. And the solution the wonk devised was to outlaw the issue of new private policies that were Exchange-eligible, which is done on page 16, which would force all new private policies to be issued via the ERISA-regulated Exchange rather than via the state-regulated McCarran-Ferguson private market. In short, it's a work-around for McCarran-Ferguson which avoids the necessity to have to actually change McCarran-Ferguson -- existing private insurance policies can still be regulated by the states, it's just that new private insurance that meets primary insurance requirements must go thru the Exchange where it can be regulated under federal ERISA rules instead. And wingnut heads explode upon reaching page 16, and they erupt shouting "ObamaCare outlaws private insurance!" without ever getting to page 72.


This points to a major problem wingnuts have with a 1000+ page bill -- you have to read the whole darn thing to know exactly how page 16 relates to page 72, you have to know the legal background of health insurance beforehand to understand how the pieces relate to the other major pieces of federal regulation like ERISA and McCarran-Ferguson, you have to have basic literacy in the legalese involved in this massive piece of wonkery, and wingnuts lack the patience, background, or the reading comprehension to do this. The bill does not outlaw private insurance, of course. It just shifts its issuance to the Exchange so it can be regulated under ERISA rather than McCarran-Ferguson. But to someone who suffers from legal illiteracy and a case of the paranoids, taking page 16 out of context means you arrive at the erroneous conclusion "ObamaCare outlaws private insurance!", which was boldly published in a national forum without the slightest attempt to validate the conclusion with, well, somebody who knows even the tiniest bit about health insurance regulation and how the new bill interacts with the current regulatory framework.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/16/161814/777
 
Taichiliberal said:

All one has to do is just clik back and follow the chronology of the posts, read them in their entirety, and see how YOU tried to LIE about what transpired with out of context (and sequence) quotes.

Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Obamacare would outlaw individual private coverage.

Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Obamacare would outlaw individual private coverage.

I've told you time and again, you can't lie when there is a recorded post/thread that people can read and see for themselves your attempt to distort reality. History has proven that the racial slur you use here is specifically related to black folk in America. Logic and history dictates that NO ONE uses a specific racial slur against some that does not fit the description. The ONLY proof you have of your absurd claim is your personal recollections from over 20 years.....given your penchant for dishonesty, that is a dubious claim at best. Of course, you'll just keep repeating yourself in denial of the evidence...which shows what a complete ass you are. Shrug on, my little willfully ignorant neocon parrot. I'm done with you here.
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Post 105 proves that you lied. Now you're trying to deny it. LOL.
 
We don't really have any health insurance in this country. What we have is a shell game like they had up on Wall Street. What we have is a system to make lots of money.

Ideally, the private insurers would like to insure everyone, but cover no one.

They would love to add 47 million uninsured at the taxpayer's expense but then they'd try every loophole to deny claims.

If you ever want to save costs, it will never happen in the private sector. Private insurers have no incentive to make sure that everybody in America has health insurance. That's not on the list for how to make money.

Any reform without a public option is not worth passing. The public option is absolutely essential. If you want to get a new result, you've got to try something different.

After all, there are ample Democratic votes in both houses of Congress to pass anything the President wants.
 
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