Obamacare would outlaw individual private coverage.
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Members of Congress already have a health care plan. Unions do as well.
For the 47 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will have health insurance available to you. With health care reform, everyone will be able to buy into a new health insurance plan similar to one that every federal employee currently has.
No one will be turned away because of a pre-existing condition or illness.
Much of the funding for health reform is coming from the pockets of America's wealthiest by rolling back the Bush tax cuts for Americans earning more than $250,000 per year and retaining the estate tax at its 2009 level.
For the 47 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will have health insurance available to you. With health care reform, everyone will be able to buy into a new health insurance plan similar to one that every federal employee currently has.
No one will be turned away because of a pre-existing condition or illness.
Much of the funding for health reform is coming from the pockets of America's wealthiest by rolling back the Bush tax cuts for Americans earning more than $250,000 per year and retaining the estate tax at its 2009 level.
TuTu Monroe
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I'm going to send this to the newspapers in my area to get the ball rolling. Thanks.
Because they like it when their lovers use condoms and Vaseline before they stick it there. They covered this one with sandpaper and just want to watch and laugh.
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Shaken, not stirred!
Neocons don't think beyond the talking point. Some GOP rep whose on the "Get Obama" bandwagon is pushing this bullshit to the willfully ignorant parrots. As Obama pointed out last night, Congress already has a shitload of choices (I'll wager many beyond the reach of Mr./Mrs. Joe Schmoe) regarding healthcare....could you imagine the wail of the neocon cabal if Obama plan was going to give Congress a (yet another) ride on the taxpayers dollar? Same goes for unions (who supposedly are the arch villians in the conservative/neocon world).
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You can include this as well. No wonder Dems wanted to rush this bill thru so nobody would know what is in it
This happened in the state of Oregon which has a state level version of Obamacare
What This Means For You
The powerful story of Barbara Wagner demonstrates why this discussion is of utmost importance. When Barbara’s lung cancer reappeared during the spring of 2008 her oncologist recommended aggressive treatment with Tarceva, a new chemotherapy. However, Oregon’s state run health plan denied the potentially life altering drug because they did not feel it was "cost-effective." Instead, the State plan offered to pay for either hospice care or physician-assisted suicide.
In stunned disbelief you may ask, "How can this be? This happens in Europe. I’ve heard stories of Britain’s National Health Service delaying intervention until the patient dies or reports of physician-assisted suicide in the Netherlands. But in America?"
The answer is simple. Oregon state officials controlled the process of healthcare decision-making—not Barbara and her physician. Chemotherapy would cost the state $4,000 every month she remained alive; the drugs for physician-assisted suicide held a one-time expense of less than $100. Barbara’s treatment plan boiled down to accounting. To cover chemotherapy state policy demanded a five percent patient survival rate at five years. As a new drug, Tarceva did not meet this dispassionate criterion. To Oregon, Barbara was no longer a patient; she had become a "negative economic unit."
In 1994 Barbara’s state established the Oregon Health Plan to give its working poor access to basic healthcare while limiting costs by "prioritizing care." In 1997 Oregon legalized physician-assisted suicide to offer "death with dignity" to patients who chose to die without further medical treatment. In the end, the State secured the power to ration healthcare in order to control its financial risk, even if that meant replacing a patient’s chance to live with the choice of how to die.
When queried about withholding Barbara’s treatment, Dr. Walter Shaffer, a spokesman for Oregon’s Division of Medical Assistance Programs, explained the policy this way, "We can't cover everything for everyone. Taxpayer dollars are limited for publicly funded programs. We try to come up with policies that provide the most good for the most people."
Dr. Som Saha, chairman of the commission that sets policy for the Oregon Health Plan, echoed Shaffer, "If we invest thousands and thousands of dollars in one person's days to weeks, we are taking away those dollars from someone [else]."
Twice Barbara appealed the ruling. Twice Oregon denied her treatment.
Government compassion sounds so noble when first introduced. In fact, this well-intentioned motive fueled the creation of the State-sponsored health plan that now denied Barbara’s treatment. As "we the people" become more and more reliant on the government, inch by precious inch, liberty slips away. Citizens become powerless in dependency. Seduced by sweet words of compassion, the welfare of the State silently usurps the wellbeing of the individual citizen. Secure in the belief that government will care for them, many Americans slumber in complacency until one day, "we the people" awake to find liberty lost
http://www.physiciansforreform.org/index.php?id=30