Yeah we are way past the spotted owl. I think that might grow into a very powerful movement, though, I don’t know that it’s in time to really do much about global warning. We will see. The draft, forget about it. The middle class would not only march on Washtington, but they’d burn it down.
On the heels of Sean Bell, now this. WTF!!
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Yeah we are way past the spotted owl. I think that might grow into a very powerful movement, though, I don’t know that it’s in time to really do much about global warning. We will see. The draft, forget about it. The middle class would not only march on Washtington, but they’d burn it down.
cawacko
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Don't sell your party short Desh. Between rich and poor, young and old they do quite a good job of dividing as well.
Epicurus
Reasonable
LoL.
Epicurus
Reasonable
No.
Rich and poor is the divide you care about and propagate to win elections, just as Republicans exacerbate the racial divide for the same reason.
It's shameful in both instances, but I don't expect you to see it at this point.
Epicurus
Reasonable
That's not the point, Desh.
You are still discriminating against people. You are still drawing arbitrary lines and saying "Everyone who makes more than X should be villified."
It's morally no better than saying, "Everyone who is X color should be persecuted."
You are creating and exploitating artificial divisions for political expediency.
evince
Truthmatters
No I do not say that , that is what YOU say I say.
I say the people who hold all the wealth can either be with us or against us.
There are people in the 1% who agree with my views and seek to make a fair playing field and then there are the ones the Current republican party backs at every turn.
I have nothing against wealthy people. I do have problems with wealthy people who want to use that wealth to keep the poor down.
I say the people who hold all the wealth can either be with us or against us.
There are people in the 1% who agree with my views and seek to make a fair playing field and then there are the ones the Current republican party backs at every turn.
I have nothing against wealthy people. I do have problems with wealthy people who want to use that wealth to keep the poor down.
evince
Truthmatters
And some of my best friends are white. That doesn't change the divisiveness of the original message.
evince
Truthmatters
Its the fight that started this country.
I do think keeping new royalty from ruling the masses through wealth is something the founders would be on my side for.
Nobody said that, it isn't only you who have made the attempt to dress up the rich as some separate group who are evil and to use envy as a wedge. It is just that you fell for it.
Rich people are people. They don't run around trying to find ways to screw you, no matter how much you want to believe they do.
No, it isn't.
If it were there wouldn't have been restrictions such as land ownership on voting rights when the nation was first created. The idea that we all have an equal shot to make it did create the nation, but the idea that the rich should give all they have to equalize things did not.
You can pretend that the rich guys who helped create the nation really wanted to have all their money taken from them by force and given to others, but you would just be pretending.
Another nation supposedly started that way, it doesn't exist anymore.
No?
"It's morally no better than saying, "Everyone who is X color should be persecuted."
You bet they did, and you have agreed. Face it, you guys are as funny as beavis and butthead and should have your own show.
Don’t be so afraid to take a compliment!
You now have permission to yammer on for 6 pages about why using your own words to prove that you did say something is “rubbish” and then change the subject and start another debate with yourself.
I have "agreed" where?
I pointed out your remarks are divisive and why. I have never mentioned race in any portion of what I have stated here. Don't be disingenuous about what I have written when we can just look. Don't start taking Cypress lessons.
Awww... she added this last part. How cute.
Translation: I realize you haven't "agreed" but really want to associate you with that, so bad that I am willing to be as disingenuous as Cypress to do it.
Epicurus
Reasonable
On a basic moral-philosophical level it is no better. I stand by that completely.
I'm not equating the human suffering of slavery to the unfairness of progressive taxation, but it is still a valid comparison.
You are still creating and exploiting artificial divisions (whether by color or class) for political gain.
Damo is probably too much of a wimp to stick by that statement, given its controversial potential, but it is no less true because of it.
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If I had said it I would stand by it.
I think it is possible to divide by other things than "race" and believe that it is being done here with an attempt to use the basest of emotions, that of envy. I believe that it is wrong to do so, but people will continue to work to divide the nation as long as it gains them power.
Epicurus
Reasonable
Agreed