Question for evolutionists

StoneByStone said:
Atheism isn't an ideology. It's the lack of one single belief. The fact that you don't know that is scary and shows how bad the education system is.
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it is funny that your ideology is the denial you have an ideology.......it is one of the reasons I find atheists to be so irrational......
 
from the American Atheists website.....

Older dictionaries define atheism as “a belief that there is no God.” Clearly, theistic influence taints these definitions. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as “there is no God” betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read “there are no gods.”
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so basically the "new" definition of atheism betrays the atheist influence that taints the definition........
https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/about-atheism/

we used to have a halfwitted poster here named Buckleon......he would say he was an agnostic atheist........guess that would be someone who can't make up his mind about whether he can make up his mind.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
yes I can......and now I have read twice that you call yourself an atheist and you have no idea what the word even means........it has only been in the last decade that atheists have tried to redefine themselves........I think, because of embarrassment and loneliness.......atheists are not agnostics......they are the antithesis of agnostics........
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Of course atheists aren't agnostics.. Is that your attempt at whataboutism?
 
kudzu said:
Maybe the problem is rote learning???


Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about what a person believes. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods.

Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
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I think it's just called an ideology or a religion so Theists can dismiss it as blind faith, like their own religion. It's an attempt at the false equivalence fallacy.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
then why do you try to use the definition of agnostics for atheists?......
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The difference between the words agnostic and atheist.

The difference is quite simple: atheist refers to someone who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods, and agnostic refers to someone who doesn’t know whether there is a god, or even if such a thing is knowable.
 
StoneByStone said:
I think it's just called an ideology or a religion so Theists can dismiss it as blind faith, like their own religion. It's an attempt at the false equivalence fallacy.
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Well, the same bozos confuse socialism, communism, nazism, fascism etc.. Sloppy.. non-critical thinkers.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Organic molecules occur quite often. Molecules are not random. They follow very specific rules.
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The creation of an organic molecule is not life. It's not even a building block of life. Perhaps you had better look up what 'organic chemistry' actually means. As far as the creation of such molecules themselves, it is random that the rule applies. A different rule may apply, creating a different molecule. It's random which one is applying.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
This is a false assumption. You assume that a cell has to exist before life exists. No such requirement has to happen.
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Yes it does. Now you are getting into the definition of life.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Are viruses alive?
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No. They can only reproduce by hijacking a cell.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
They reproduce but they are not cells.
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They require a cell to reproduce. They cannot reproduce on their own. In my opinion, they are not life.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Cells don't require something to eat to reproduce.
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Yes they do. They require energy even to survive. Where is that energy coming from? Photosynthesis isn't possible yet.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Like all chemical reactions they require energy. But you have assumed that reproduction can only occur when a cell exists. That is circular reasoning. You have used your conclusion to form your assumption.
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Please describe something that can reproduce without the use of a cell. Viruses ain't it.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
I am unsure what you are arguing here. We have tons of evidence of cells mutating and then passing the mutations on to other generations.
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YOU said mutation does not occur. Which is it, dude?
Poor Richard Saunders said:
First of all your statement of odds makes no sense.
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It makes perfect sense.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Second you have presented no math.
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No need. The rules of probability mathematics still apply.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Random events occur all the time.
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Indeed they do, but probability mathematics does not have the power of prediction (due to the importation of random number mathematics). It cannot predict what the next dice roll will be.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
You are again making false assumptions in that you are assuming that evolution is creating a desired outcome.
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No, this is YOUR assumption. It is false.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
It does no such thing. Evolution simply takes whatever random event occurs and tests it against the current environment to see if it gives a distinct advantage or disadvantage.
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The outcome is not the best possible outcome but the best of the limited available choices.
Paradox. Which is it, dude?
Poor Richard Saunders said:
The biggest problem being you don't understand the difference between abiogenesis and evolution. They are 2 separate things.
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I have never argued otherwise. I have always argued they are two separate things.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Circular reasoning yet again. You simply assume that if someone gathers the right components and then something happens to the components they they are performing a creation. That is nonsense.
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No, that is creation.
 
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