Question for the Leftists on this Forum

Neoclitorus said:
of course there is.

they're called globalists and they keep "sending all the jobs away".

so anybody who tariffs doesn't believe in free markets?
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Right, so my company outsources some backend, non customer-facing roles to the Philippines. When the discussions were going on to make those decisions, what "globalist" things do you believe we're said?

Like I said (twice now) I support protecting some industries for national security reasons. That protection generally comes in the form of tariffs.

FYI, Trump just exempted smartphones from his China tariffs.
 
ULTRA MAGA said:
As far as foreign nationals go that's not really the issue with Trump it's the border and orderly immigration.
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If only it were so simple. The fact of the matter, though, is that there are real serious problems with Trump's new system. Some people here have made some threads on it. Here's one:
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Thread 'Due Process Does Look Different: DHS Official Defends Deportation of Maryland Man'

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'Due process does look different': DHS official defends deportation of Maryland man​

NPR
By Luke Garrett
Published April 7, 2025 at 11:03 AM PDT...

Articles such as these also show that this doesn't just apply to people coming from south of the U.S. border:
immigrationnewscanada.ca

New Canada Travel Advisory For The U.S. Effective April 4

New Canada travel advisory for the U.S. is now in effect. Expect border scrutiny, device searches, and possible detention.
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ZenMode said:
Right, so my company outsources some backend, non customer-facing roles to the Philippines. When the discussions were going on to make those decisions, what "globalist" things do you believe we're said?

Like I said (twice now) I support protecting some industries for national security reasons. That protection generally comes in the form of tariffs.

FYI, Trump just exempted smartphones from his China tariffs.
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"it would be cheaper to send those jobs away."
 
Scott said:
If only it were so simple. The fact of the matter, though, is that there are real serious problems with Trump's new system. Some people here have made some threads on it. Here's one:
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Thread 'Due Process Does Look Different: DHS Official Defends Deportation of Maryland Man'

Politics

'Due process does look different': DHS official defends deportation of Maryland man​

NPR
By Luke Garrett
Published April 7, 2025 at 11:03 AM PDT...

Articles such as these also show that this doesn't just apply to people coming from south of the U.S. border:
immigrationnewscanada.ca

New Canada Travel Advisory For The U.S. Effective April 4

New Canada travel advisory for the U.S. is now in effect. Expect border scrutiny, device searches, and possible detention.
immigrationnewscanada.ca immigrationnewscanada.ca
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fuck your globalist idiocy and bullshit.

you're dumb please leave.
 
Ross Dolan said:
Scott said:
Look, you're free to insult whoever you like, but you're not going to change anyone's mind with insults alone. I for one think that RFK Jr. is a beacon of light shining in a sea of darkness that comprises most of the health industry in the U.S.
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I was not going to respond to this comment, Scott, but I gave it more thought and now think it might be worthwhile to do so.

If your objective is to change anyone's mind on significant things, you are in the wrong forum. That is not going to happen here no matter how respectfully you phrase your arguments...no matter how cogent your reasoning. Changing people's minds on significant issues is something that very seldom happens in Internet fora in any case...and this one is moderated in a way that allows for a lot more liberties that work against such a thing happening here.
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I've been posting in forums for around 3 decades now, so I certainly know how hard it is to change a forum poster's mind concerning almost anything. That being said, I have seen it done, if rarely. As to how to go about it, I believe that even in a forum like this one, I think that appealing to people's reason rather than insulting the ideas and people they believe in is the best approach.

I must say that I've had a bit of a change of heart as to insults to some degree. While I rarely engage in the crass and simplistic type, I've come to suspect that trying to police the way people talk to each other is probably a large burden on moderators, and I suspect it can actually lead to over moderation. I've made no secret about the fact that I liked the old feature in this forum wherein you could thread ban people you didn't want posting in your threads, but recently, I've been thinking that perhaps I over used that feature. Put another way, I've begun to find that I seem to now be managing without it here fairly well. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want the feature once more, just that perhaps It wasn't as necessary as I thought it was.

Ross Dolan said:
RFK, Jr. is a fucking moron...a nut-case.
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Ah, there you go with the crass and simplistic insults again. There's really no debating these types of things, as Zenmode pointed out in a recent post of his here.
 
ZenMode said:
What makes that a "globalist" statement and not a business statement? I work for a publicly traded company. The drive to lower costs and increase profits is always a primary focus.
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Would you be amenable to the idea that the "drive to lower costs and increase profits" above all else could be seen as a globalist policy, all about working for the shareholders at the expense of pretty much everyone else? In the end, I'd say it doesn't even benefit the shareholders because of the destruction I believe this type of policy will inevitably bring.
 
ZenMode said:
What makes that a "globalist" statement and not a business statement? I work for a publicly traded company. The drive to lower costs and increase profits is always a primary focus.
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normal business has moral constraints; globalist business uses professional ethicism to renormalize slavery.
 
Scott said:
If only it were so simple. The fact of the matter, though, is that there are real serious problems with Trump's new system. Some people here have made some threads on it. Here's one:
E

Thread 'Due Process Does Look Different: DHS Official Defends Deportation of Maryland Man'

Politics

'Due process does look different': DHS official defends deportation of Maryland man​

NPR
By Luke Garrett
Published April 7, 2025 at 11:03 AM PDT...

Articles such as these also show that this doesn't just apply to people coming from south of the U.S. border:
immigrationnewscanada.ca

New Canada Travel Advisory For The U.S. Effective April 4

New Canada travel advisory for the U.S. is now in effect. Expect border scrutiny, device searches, and possible detention.
immigrationnewscanada.ca immigrationnewscanada.ca
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I don't consider this to be a problem. Dire times require dire measures.
 
Scott said:
I've been posting in forums for around 3 decades now, so I certainly know how hard it is to change a forum poster's mind concerning almost anything. That being said, I have seen it done, if rarely. As to how to go about it, I believe that even in a forum like this one, I think that appealing to people's reason rather than insulting the ideas and people they believe in is the best approach.

I must say that I've had a bit of a change of heart as to insults to some degree. While I rarely engage in the crass and simplistic type, I've come to suspect that trying to police the way people talk to each other is probably a large burden on moderators, and I suspect it can actually lead to over moderation. I've made no secret about the fact that I liked the old feature in this forum wherein you could thread ban people you didn't want posting in your threads, but recently, I've been thinking that perhaps I over used that feature. Put another way, I've begun to find that I seem to now be managing without it here fairly well. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want the feature once more, just that perhaps It wasn't as necessary as I thought it was.



Ah, there you go with the crass and simplistic insults again. There's really no debating these types of things, as Zenmode pointed out in a recent post of his here.
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Perhaps crass and simplistic (although I think not)...but true, nonetheless. If you were an American living here, I think you would see it. RFK, Jr. is an insult to his family...and they (the family) are the first to say so.

I have been involved in Internet forums since the late 1990's...at the New York Times/Boston Globe forum Abuzz. On two occasions I had people say they intended to use "agnostic" as a descriptor due to the arguments on made. But any changing of minds on major issues is so remote, I seldom have that in mind when I post.

I realize there are people older than I posting on Social Media platforms, but at age 88 (I'll turn 89) this summer, I may be the oldest regularly posting individual. I am certainly one of the oldest.
 
Neoclitorus said:
"it would be cheaper to send those jobs away."
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Cheaper to whom? What you are saying is that manufacturers made the decisions. You bleat about the government, yet it is the owners who sent the industries away. Maybe you are beginning to understand. Trump is deep in the send it away and buy from abroad to make higher profits group. You claim you want manufacturing back in America, yet you vote for Trump and other Republicans. They do nothing to turn it around, but lie to the suckers.
 
Nordberg said:
Cheaper to whom? What you are saying is that manufacturers made the decisions. You bleat about the government, yet it is the owners who sent the industries away. Maybe you are beginning to understand. Trump is deep in the send it away and buy from abroad to make higher profits group. You claim you want manufacturing back in America, yet you vote for Trump and other Republicans. They do nothing to turn it around, but lie to the suckers.
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that's why we need tariffs.

to sculpt the market in a more pro-social manner.
 
Ross Dolan said:
Perhaps crass and simplistic (although I think not)...but true, nonetheless. If you were an American living here, I think you would see it. RFK, Jr. is an insult to his family...and they (the family) are the first to say so.

I have been involved in Internet forums since the late 1990's...at the New York Times/Boston Globe forum Abuzz. On two occasions I had people say they intended to use "agnostic" as a descriptor due to the arguments on made. But any changing of minds on major issues is so remote, I seldom have that in mind when I post.

I realize there are people older than I posting on Social Media platforms, but at age 88 (I'll turn 89) this summer, I may be the oldest regularly posting individual. I am certainly one of the oldest.
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why is fighting big pharma bad?

they are eugenicist Nazis who want fluoride in the the water.
 
Neoclitorus said:
that's why we need tariffs.

to sculpt the market in a more pro-social manner.
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Try and make sense. You do know the power of taxes, including tariffs, is a power of Congress. The president is allowed to tariff only to protect national interests and they expire after 150 days. You know that don't you ? Congress has talken many knees to Trump. They are not doing their jobs.
Trump has exempted China from tariffs on electronic goods. Why? That is smartphones, computers, solar panels, Flat screen TVs and displays, flash drives, and memory cards among others. What kind of tough guy tariff is that? he is playing you for a sucker and you will never figure it bout. That is no tariff at all.
 
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