Reagan, that block of wood with hair, ushered in the neocons.

[blackascoal]

Reagan's policies were directed at the USSR, and his MidEast policies were reactions (such as Lebanon) or contination of Cold War policy in places like Iran and Afghanistan. The only one that wasn't was his role in the Iran-Iraq War.

And the general concensus now is that America should not intervene, even in genocides, because war is killing civillians and sending our troops off to die...

No matter how you cut it, Reagan ushered in the neocons .. the exact same neocons republicans claim destroyed their party.

Although, in fact it was their failed and unintelligent ideology that has killed their party. The neocons just took advantage of their idiocy.

 

[blackascoal]

I never thought he was a god.

I just think he was the much better president than Reagan.

AND, he was indeed.

 

[cawacko]

Dont you remember how hard you fought the idea that Reagan was not the God who ended the cold war?

I gave him credit for recognising Gorby was an honorable man but it was Gorby who ended the war not Reagan. The world agrees with that but only Reagan whorshipers think it was Ronny.

Nice Dem talking points there Desh.

 

[evince]

http://www.unc.edu/~bjhuffma/PNAC/

full of Reagan men

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Reagan's policies were directed at the USSR, and his MidEast policies were reactions (such as Lebanon) or contination of Cold War policy in places like Iran and Afghanistan. The only one that wasn't was his role in the Iran-Iraq War.

And the general concensus now is that America should not intervene, even in genocides, because war is killing civillians and sending our troops off to die...

um.... partially correct. His policy with regards to Iran/Iraq was absolutely a response to the USSR. They were on one side, we were on the other. Then we flipped sides.

 

[blackascoal]

http://www.unc.edu/~bjhuffma/PNAC/

full of Reagan men

George Bush IS Ronald Reagan, right down to the astronomical debt .. and he relied on essentially the same advice .. make that commands from the neocons.

 

[evince]

Nice Dem talking points there Desh.

They are not talking points they are facts.

This is why Gorby won the peace prize and was on the front of time for it.
The world all sees it this way except Ronny whorshipers.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Dont you remember how hard you fought the idea that Reagan was not the God who ended the cold war?

I gave him credit for recognising Gorby was an honorable man but it was Gorby who ended the war not Reagan. The world agrees with that but only Reagan whorshipers think it was Ronny.

The world does not agree with that Desh. Just the die hard far lefties that refuse to give Reagan any credit for his part. He along with Gorbachev, Pope John Paul II, Thatcher and the polish people worked in conjunction to bring an end to the cold war.

 

[gonzojournals]

Dont you remember how hard you fought the idea that Reagan was not the God who ended the cold war?

I gave him credit for recognising Gorby was an honorable man but it was Gorby who ended the war not Reagan. The world agrees with that but only Reagan whorshipers think it was Ronny.

No, I don't. Perhaps you can provide a link.

 

[Minister of Truth]

um.... partially correct. His policy with regards to Iran/Iraq was absolutely a response to the USSR. They were on one side, we were on the other. Then we flipped sides.

Not really, that one was for regional stability to protect the oil fields.

 

[Timshel]

Perhaps but it does not diminsh the truth about your diety RP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ron_Paul_and_Ronald_Reagan_in_1976.jpg

from article here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

He took a picture with Reagan, that settles it.

He was a delegate that supported Reagan's campaign. Big fucking difference from your claim. He was not right by his side (this clearly implies that he was a trusted adviser of some sort) helping him along. He had nothing to do with the installation of these neocons. Further, he has stated that Reagan was ultimately a disappointment.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Dont you remember how hard you fought the idea that Reagan was not the God who ended the cold war?

I gave him credit for recognising Gorby was an honorable man but it was Gorby who ended the war not Reagan. The world agrees with that but only Reagan whorshipers think it was Ronny.

Gorby had no choice. The USSR was fragmenting, the economy was in the toilet, and he was nearly killed by a military coup before it was over (Yeltsin stepped in and saved his ass by famously asking the troops what they were fighting for). Gorby succeeded only in salvaging Russia as a viable state, emerging from the rubble of Cold War defeat.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Not really, that one was for regional stability to protect the oil fields.

Yes, it was about protecting our oil interests. But WHY did we care what happened? Oh yeah, because the Soviets were courting the countries in the region trying to gain control. We countered. Had the Soviets not been involved, neither would we have been. Also, our involvement began long before the Iran/Iraq war and long before Reagan was in office. It was all about the Soviets and making sure they did not get control of the region.

 

[evince]

No, I don't. Perhaps you can provide a link.

Oopps sorrry Gonz that was for Super.

I get you guys mixed up all the time.

 

[gonzojournals]

...

 

[blackascoal]

Yes, it was about protecting our oil interests. But WHY did we care what happened? Oh yeah, because the Soviets were courting the countries in the region trying to gain control. We countered. Had the Soviets not been involved, neither would we have been. Also, our involvement began long before the Iran/Iraq war and long before Reagan was in office. It was all about the Soviets and making sure they did not get control of the region.

"OUR" oil interests?

 

[Minister of Truth]

Yes, it was about protecting our oil interests. But WHY did we care what happened? Oh yeah, because the Soviets were courting the countries in the region trying to gain control. We countered. Had the Soviets not been involved, neither would we have been. Also, our involvement began long before the Iran/Iraq war and long before Reagan was in office. It was all about the Soviets and making sure they did not get control of the region.

The situtation had changed dramatically, with the Shah in power, and the Baathists had only recently taken control in Iraq. Our policy changed from being a Cold War policy of keeping the USSR out to that of keeping Saddam and the Shah weak.

 

[evince]

Gorby had no choice. The USSR was fragmenting, the economy was in the toilet, and he was nearly killed by a military coup before it was over (Yeltsin stepped in and saved his ass by famously asking the troops what they were fighting for). Gorby succeeded only in salvaging Russia as a viable state, emerging from the rubble of Cold War defeat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorbachev#Political_career

Go study the guys life fella.

Yeltsen was a fucking drunk you fool.

 

[Minister of Truth]

"OUR" oil interests?

Yes, we have such an interest. Perhaps you would prefer "Our interest in oil," as you are clearly upset that the other way around looks to the untrained eye as though we own the oil.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

"OUR" oil interests?

yes. Did you not understand the word "our" or are you going to follow up with some point of rebuttal????