Software engineers aren't real engineers

[MAGA MAN]

1. Computer engineering isn't an ABET accredited curriculum, like electrical engineering is, so few, if any, are able to obtain a professional license. In most states, therefore, it is illegal to call yourself an engineer without a license.
2. They are constantly putting out crappy versions of their products, that crash and burn. Then they just design a "fix" and require the customer to install it. In the fields of real engineering, such ethics are not tolerated, and they would be forced from the practice. Imagine if the Ford Motor Company routinely put out products that fail routinely. They would have been put out of business decades ago.

 

[Cypress]

1. Computer engineering isn't an ABET accredited curriculum, like electrical engineering is, so few, if any, are able to obtain a professional license. In most states, therefore, it is illegal to call yourself an engineer without a license.
2. They are constantly putting out crappy versions of their products, that crash and burn. Then they just design a "fix" and require the customer to install it. In the fields of real engineering, such ethics are not tolerated, and they would be forced from the practice. Imagine if the Ford Motor Company routinely put out products that fail routinely. They would have been put out of business decades ago.

Like Don Quixote, it appears you are shadow boxing wind mills.

I think all of the universities I attended or worked at had a computer science department, and what they offered was a bachelors degree in computer science.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Like Don Quixote, it appears you are shadow boxing wind mills.

I think all of the universities I attended or worked at had a computer science department, and what they offered was a bachelors degree in computer science.

What does that have to do with engineering?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Well, my husband is a software engineer/systems architect. His BS is in industrial engineering, so he is, in fact, a bona fide engineer. He knows over a dozen computer languages including Cobol, SQL, C Sharp, etc. and has written a couple of proprietary ones as well for a system he designed for CIGNA. I think your bitch is with software companies and not software engineers.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Industrial engineering isn't ABET accredited.

https://talk.collegeconfidential.co...al-engineering-no-longer-abet-accredited.html

 

[Bobb]

Building a large software application is far more challenging that building a car, as far as getting out a "bug free" product.

 

[Legion]

Building a large software application is far more challenging that building a car, as far as getting out a "bug free" product.

When has that happened?

 

[Life is Golden]

Hmmm, interesting. It does take a certain aptitude and analytical skills.

 

[Legion]

Hmmm, interesting. It does take a certain aptitude and analytical skills.

Have you ever known of a computer program that was bug-free?

 

[Life is Golden]

Have you ever known of a computer program that was bug-free?

No, but I don't see how that makes the creator less skilled.

 

[Legion]

No, but I don't see how that makes the creator less skilled.

Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. How many new cars crash en masse on their way home from the dealer's showroom?

How many bridges fall into the river the moment someone walks across?

How many building collapse as soon as the tenants move in?

Yet I can't think of a single software program that isn't buggy as fuck, and most (if not all) of them require constant patches to fix shit that the designers didn't get right before they released it.

So "Bobb" the boob is FOS, in my experience.

 

[Bobb]

Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. How many new cars crash en masse on their way home from the dealer's showroom?

How many bridges fall into the river the moment someone walks across?

Only a fcking moron would compare a bridge to a large software application. Are you a fcking moron? Bridges are very simple and do only one thing. Have you written a large bug-free software application, or you just a fcking moron who has no ability to even begin to grasp the complexity of software?

 

[Legion]

Only a fcking moron would compare a bridge to a large software application.

So you say.

A designer incapable of creating a product that doesn't fail immediately may be "creative," but that's about it.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Building a large software application is far more challenging that building a car, as far as getting out a "bug free" product.

No it's not.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Hmmm, interesting. It does take a certain aptitude and analytical skills.

Agreed. But so are a lot of non engineering professions.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Only a fcking moron would compare a bridge to a large software application. Are you a fcking moron? Bridges are very simple and do only one thing. Have you written a large bug-free software application, or you just a fcking moron who has no ability to even begin to grasp the complexity of software?

Bridges aren't simple. They are exposed to the elements and are expected to be abused for 50 years before replacement.

 

[Bobb]

Bridges aren't simple. They are exposed to the elements and are expected to be abused for 50 years before replacement.

Exposed to the elements? I guess we should use cement instead of paper. That was easy.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Boeing is in big trouble because of a software problem. Two planes down in as many weeks, 300 souls gone. Go ahead, tell me that software is more complex than the world's most successful commercial airliner.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Exposed to the elements? I guess we should use cement instead of paper. That was easy.

Cement is glue. Bridges are made of concrete, and reinfoced by steel. Both products made by real engineers and misunderstood by many.

 

[Bobb]

Cement is glue. Bridges are made of concrete, and reinfoced by steel. Both products made by real engineers and misunderstood by many.

That shows you build, but you don't program.