A true example for all humanity.....
The Christian left and democratic socialism
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A true example for all humanity.....
Thanks for clarifying.......
Sad, the only fool you could find hates your religion & you for believing it........
You trying to rationalize/pretend about it shows how far you have fallen from grace..............
You calling yourself a fool? I'd say you have company.
It's obvious. And YOU start a thread singling out one denomination. Why is that? Why won't you answer that?
Because you want me to....
Now listen to this brother:
Poor old willie, still the infantile.
No mention of inciting violence, but you might get combating violence out of it
Iolo/Penderyn
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Reality: Some 22 Trillion dollars has been spent by socialists in the United States sense the 1960s and the inception of the Great Society Welfare Programs (not including SS and Medicare)......yet after more than 50 years poverty still exists in the United States with the needle that measures such barely moving. THE WAR ON POVERTY appears to be a losing battle. This war on poverty has cost the US tax payers nearly 3.5 times the total cost of ALL THE WARS ever fought in the entire history of the US Military. www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality
https://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/report/the-war-poverty-after-50-years
No poor existed between 1945 and 1951? I Call BS on this AD HOMINEM "subjective" attempt at hyperbolic bloviation
How can poverty RETURN when it never left? Poverty has been among mankind since the beginning....even in Great Britain and you are a liar if you suggest that poverty was eliminated. You may have (through fascist and totalitarian doctrines) attempted to redistribute wealth......making everyone equally impoverished .....you never eliminated poverty.
Do I really care about your subjective opinions when everyone has access to the truth concerning the proper doctrine of Christianity.....the Holy Scriptures? No, I simply point out the truth when subjective opinion is attempting to establish DOGMA and TRADITION in place of righteous doctrine. You are propagating FALSE DOCTRINE
The entirety of mankind will never find the proper path to righteousness, the way is too narrow for the majority, "Enter ye at the straight gate; for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction; and many there be which go in there at. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadth unto life, and few there be that find it. BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS, WHICH COME TO YOU IN SHEEPS CLOTHING (much like the Catholic rulers of the middle ages that taught manmade dogma and tradition rather than doctrine found in scripture), but inwardly they are ravening wolves." -- Matt. 7:13-15
Does it surprise me there are many RICH that refuse to share, to give to the needy? Of course not......its the human condition, as long as freewill exists, poverty will exist. The only way to even pretend to eliminate poverty is to propagate Totalitarianism and Fascism where the state takes away that free will under threat of fine, imprisonment or even DEATH. Thus, in a FREE REPUBLIC.......where you find the concept of LIBERTY and FREEDOM.........you will always find that poverty will always exist due to the liberty of freedom and chance circumstances.
Indeed........and God tells us that the human condition will remain the same. Don't believe GOD INCARNATE that tells us that "The poor will be among you always", its your soul, your right as conveyor of the gift of FREE WILL. Why will there always be the poor among us? Because the majority of people have no compassion and are self centered. That FACT does not eliminate the TRUTH found in scripture. Everyone sins...only God knows the heart of man and will reward or punish determined upon that knowledge. Still THE POOR will remain among us until the end of days.
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; WHO CAN KNOW IT? I THE LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, even to give to every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings." -- Jer. 17:9-10 Some faiths call it KARMA.
You can rant about your MAXIST AGENDA in attempting to divide and separate the population by pitting the rich against the poor.......the black against the white......one gender against another and tell us that you are doing this for the good of the COLLECTIVE in the name of diversity. Is diversity and the preaching thereof a good thing? Only if you want to divide a peoples based upon skin color and social status....and create a tribal mentality instead of properly assimilating as ONE NATION UNDER GOD as being a US CITIZEN regardless of skin color, race, gender, religion etc.,
That reality is what frightens the hell out of the MARXIST........ONE NATION SPEAKING WITH ONE VOICE IN DEDICATION TO ONE CAUSE....peace. With national pride you get no book burnings...the modern equivalent of which is the attempt to burn down, tear down all our national monuments......silence any voice that does not agree with your fascist opinion, that propagates riots, looting, burning...even MURDER in the name of your diversity because the END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS.
You correctly stated the fact.......there are many that refuse to have compaison......to give where human suffering exists...but still you can't legislate poverty into not existing just as the Christ explained. Why? Its simple, There will be FEW that will find THE WAY.
What is the WAY? Jesus is the WAY. -- John 14:6 God said the way would be easy for those who believed in righteousness -- Isaiah 42:16 Every obstacle would be removed out of the WAY -- Isaiah 57:14. Only the wicked (the majority of all mankind who sins void of repentance) stumbles on the path of righteousness -- Hosea 14:9 JESUS IS THAT ROCK THAT CAUSES THE WICKED TO STUMBLE -- 1 Peter 2:7-8
To walk on the path that is the correct WAY requires, BELIEF, ACCEPTENCE, AND OBEDIENCE TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHRIST, which the many are unwilling to accept and follow.
The many insist upon walking on their own path (as an agent of free will....man often chooses wrong) -- Rom. 9:32-33 Jesus teaches they must choose the correct WAY to find salvation...He makes them choose. -- John 15:18-25
People love wickedness to much to choose correctly and walk a clean path in this reality we call LIFE. -- 2 Thess. 2:9-12
Is the Christian instructed to give, to have compassion? Of course...but the Christian is instructed to give to those he observes that are in need. The Christians first duty is LOCALLY....to give to the local brotherhood and community where it is needed. A Christian is instructed to give unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar....but that giving is not charity, not in the least...there is no compassion when paying taxes that are wasted. Give and work in your own communities where you can observe first hand where need exists....as instructed in scripture. How can you witness need first hand when a central government thousands of miles away MANDATES you to share in your income? You can't.....so I say, If 10% was good enough for God.........then 10% is good enough for Caesar.
I'm afraid I have a short attention span, and this lot is interminable. I think, though, that a quick scan through it reveals that there is little point in replying since (a) you don't know what you mean by 'socialism', taking it to mean 'anything educated people do' and (b) you use 'Marxist' in the totally fatuous way favoured by those who have never read Marx and know nothing about him. It was obvious from the beginning, further, that you know nothing about Christianity, so do please explain why anyone should venture further into the thickets of your prose.
That is usually the case, or just picking a tid-bit or two & rubbing his nose in it.
Probably the only way a ralf pontification could be understandable is if one had a couple shots of a decent single malt & some good herb....... & then I am only guessing.....
Iolo/Penderyn
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That is usually the case, or just picking a tid-bit or two & rubbing his nose in it.
Probably the only way a ralf pontification could be understandable is if one had a couple shots of a decent single malt & some good herb....... & then I am only guessing.....
cawacko
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Thanks for sharing LR. So clearly a Pastor posting their political views on social media is not unique to my Pastor.
Let me ask you this if I may, do you get into political debates on Facebook with parishioners of yours?
He posted a thread on white evangelicals.
Evangelicalism is not a denomination. It is a theological tradition shared across many Protestant denominations. For that matter, whites are not a denomination either.
For someone who claims to be a devout Christian, you do not seem to actually know much about Christianity?
The take-away is that his thread did not single out a single denomination, and as the thread progressed he clearly recognized the variation across the spectrum of evangelicalism - including black evangelicals and progressive evangelicals.Whatever you say, you're the Theologian here
He shows more sophistication and temperance about Christianity than most posters. There are some actual, anti-Christian militant atheists who patrol political forums and make it a point to ridicule and humiliate Christianity. Bill is not even remotely close to being in that clique.
Absolutely not. I don’t even get into political debates with ‘friends’ of mine on Facebook. This site is the only place I might ‘stir the pot’ a bit by engaging in anything but political banter. Even then I try to keep it mostly respectful.
Ten thousand years of human history since the early Bronze Age has demostrated that private charity by itself is not enough to establish a just, moral, and equitable society. It was only through the new liberalism of the late 19th and early 20th century - fueled by the Christian left - that Judeo-Christian principles of charity, justice, and mercy were widely achieved at the macroeconomic level of a social welfare state.
cawacko
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I guess that’s what gets me about my Pastor. I knew he was politically progressive. That in and of itself wasn’t a deal breaker for me. But seeing him start political debates and then making snarky replies to people is what has turned me off.
I get it, Pastors are people too and no one is perfect. To me there’s enough negativity online and around politics and seeing my Pastor engage in the negative aspect of it is disappointing.
The sad thing in this is he does not know that...........
Really & sadly a classic example........ Pathetic!!!As is his troll, he is merely looking for an argument, really all he does here-HE CONTRIBUTES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT HIS OPINIONS, & 99% OF THEM ARE COMPLETELY UNSUPPORTED W/ ANYTHING BUT HIS OPINIONS.............