The Question that Makes Cowards out of Leftists

[AProudLefty]

There is no such thing as "hate speech." In the United States we have free speech.

Hate speech is free speech. Good and bad speeches are free speech. Racist speech is free speech.

There are no more NAZIs. That political party is still illegal in Deutschland. However you have motivated me to start a new thread on NAZIs. It's a fascinating topic.

We have Neo-Nazis.

By the way, NAZIs are leftists, specifically socialists. NAZIs are Marxist. If you knock them you are knocking the left, not the right. The left has always been about slavery and racism. The Republican Party was established to end slavery. Democrats persist with their slavery by enslaving the gullible.

 

[AProudLefty]

... that you have shown. I don't even know what this "alt-right" supposedly is. My only clue is that you throw it around like a slur.

Richard Spencer coined the term.

Question: Am I in/on/over the "alt-right" myself? If so, is that based solely on my having said something positive about Donald Trump? Is the term "alt-right" simply a result of Leftist TDS being stroked?

No.

This term "alt-right" only came into existence when Donald Trump announced he was running for President.

Richard Spencer supports Trump.


You have much to learn, grasshopper.

 

[StoneByStone]

Provide the quote of me claiming that the Nazis were not racists.

No, I'm not going to go through that huge thread. You're not worth it, since you're such a liar.

But can you even really deny it? You said that Trump's racism against Mexicans and Arabs isn't really racism because the American Census doesn't recognize Mexicans as a race. If you really believed that, then you'd have to say the Nazis weren't racist because the American Census doesn't recognize Jews, the Romani, or Slavs as races.

 

[AProudLefty]

The title of your thread suggests that lefties might be cowards when it comes to this question, so I am wondering how many lefties so far have answered your question without being cowards?

Plenty.

 

[StoneByStone]

I don't even know what this "alt-right" supposedly is.

So it doesn't exist because you don't know about it?

Question: Am I in/on/over the "alt-right" myself? If so, is that based solely on my having said something positive about Donald Trump? Is the term "alt-right" simply a result of Leftist TDS being stroked?

No, the Alt-Right is more than just one issue. And TDS isn't a thing. Trumpcucks just say someone has TDS when they can't defend criticism of Trump.

This term "alt-right" only came into existence when Donald Trump announced he was running for President.

Nope. The Alt-Right term was coined in 2010. Like you said, you know nothing about this movement. Do some research.

Also, I notice that those who use the term "alt-right" all fall for the same staged photos

Prove those photos were staged.

What is an "alt-right figure"?

An activist with a large following in the Alt-Right, such as Richard Spencer, Mike Enoch, Van Bryant, Millennial Woes, Mark Collett, Mike Cernovich, and so on.

 

[StoneByStone]

1. There is no such thing as "hate speech." In the United States we have free speech.
2. Trump did not hurl any slurs at Mexicans. If you believe he did, post the video ... just don't waste bandwidth by posting Trump's correct claim that some illegal aliens are rapists.

1) Hate speech can be legal.
2)https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/jun/08/donald-trumps-racial-comments-about-judge-trump-un/

By the way, NAZIs are leftists, specifically socialists. NAZIs are Marxist. If you knock them you are knocking the left, not the right. The left has always been about slavery and racism. The Republican Party was established to end slavery. Democrats persist with their slavery by enslaving the gullible.

Do you really believe this stuff or are you just trolling?

 

[IBDaMann]

We are not done until you understand.

I like your style.

So which is it?

A) a fetus with a heartbeat should legally enjoy all the rights and protections of every other living human and it is unacceptable for anyone to kill a fetus (with a heartbeat) on that basis, or
B) you claim that a human fetus with a heartbeat is somehow either not alive or is not human?

Hate speech is free speech. Good and bad speeches are free speech. Racist speech is free speech.

So we're clear, you are not speaking in any legal or absolute sense, but rather you are speaking in the sense of your subjective categorizations and your opinions that might very well differ from mine, yes?

We have Neo-Nazis.

Do they self-identify as Neo-Nazis or are you hurling slurs?

 

[AProudLefty]

I like your style.

So which is it?

A) a fetus with a heartbeat should legally enjoy all the rights and protections of every other living human and it is unacceptable for anyone to kill a fetus (with a heartbeat) on that basis, or
B) you claim that a human fetus with a heartbeat is somehow either not alive or is not human?

A heartbeat does not indicate consciousness.

So we're clear, you are not speaking in any legal or absolute sense, but rather you are speaking in the sense of your subjective categorizations and your opinions that might very well differ from mine, yes?

I am speaking in the medical sense. You speak in the philosophical/moral/ethical sense.

Do they self-identify as Neo-Nazis or are you hurling slurs?

Why ask me a dumb question?

 

[IBDaMann]

Richard Spencer coined the term.

That doesn't tell me what "alt-right" means/is and now I have another question, i.e. who is Richard Spencer?

Richard Spencer supports Trump.

This doesn't tell me who Richard Spencer is. Owing to Trump having been elected, I believe many people support Trump ... on the order of many millions of people.


When you can snatch the pebble from my hand, it will time for you to leave.

For the time being, the pebble is still in my hand.

 

[AProudLefty]

That doesn't tell me what "alt-right" means/is and now I have another question, i.e. who is Richard Spencer?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

This doesn't tell me who Richard Spencer is. Owing to Trump having been elected, I believe many people support Trump ... on the order of many millions of people.

That includes the racists.

For the time being, the pebble is still in my hand.

You're funny.

 

[IBDaMann]

A heartbeat does not indicate consciousness.

Irrelevant. You just EVADED the key question. Please let me know when you will resume honest discussion,

I am speaking in the medical sense.

... of hate speeach?

Why ask me a dumb question?

It was a brilliant question. It effectively revealed that you were lying. Apparently there are no Neo-NAZIs on this board, that you were merely hurling slurs ... and you got caught.

 

[AProudLefty]

Irrelevant. You just EVADED the key question. Please let me know when you will resume honest discussion

No I didn't evade your question. Your question is pretty clear. Again, does a heartbeat indicate consciousness? Yes or no?

... of hate speeach?

You're being incoherent.

It was a brilliant question. It effectively revealed that you were lying. Apparently there are no Neo-NAZIs on this board, that you were merely hurling slurs ... and you got caught

I never said there's Neo-Nazis on this board.

 

[IBDaMann]

So it doesn't exist because you don't know about it?

Look, we already established that you are a few cards short of a deck so you don't have to feel obligated to demonstrate it unless you want to.

No, the Alt-Right is more than just one issue.

I'm still no further along in understanding what it is. My presumption is that you are pulling it out of your azz because you were told to.

And TDS isn't a thing.

TDS is definitely a thing, just as is your denial of you having it. Too funny.

Nope. The Alt-Right term was coined in 2010.

I'm not buying it. Show me a document from 2011 with the term "alt-right." Until then, your claim is summarily dismissed.

Prove those photos were staged.

Ooops, you used the word "prove." This isn't math. The photos are not theorems.

There are OBVIOUS things to which one can point to realize that those photos are staged by leftists for the benefit of their gullible target audience. However, those with TDS cannot see them.

 

[IBDaMann]

Only someone with TDS would argue that this is racism. Time hack 30-seconds of this video explains the point thoroughly.

Conclusion: You have TDS-induced delusions. I can't even be sure that you even "saw" the same video I watched.

Do you really believe this stuff or are you just trolling?

You are both unintelligent and uneducated. That must be a rough combination but it sufficiently explains your confusion. Don't blame me for trying to help you.

For others who aren't completely beyond help I would be inclined to remind them that NAZIs were pure Marxist "national socialists" (written into the name) which is thoroughly leftist. The American Nazi Party similarly claims to be "Advancing National Socialism into the Twenty-First Century." That is leftist. However, I am certain that words with more than two syllables are totally lost on you.

Is that everything?

 

[IBDaMann]

No I didn't evade your question. Your question is pretty clear. Again, does a heartbeat indicate consciousness? Yes or no?

No. A living human with a heartbeat can be either conscious or unconscious. Note: I still fail to see how this is relevant.

I never said there's Neo-Nazis on this board.

I figured it out. We had a miscommunication. When you wrote:

We have Neo-Nazis.

I had been speaking within the context of this board and you were speaking within the context of the US (or so I now believe).

So, I will modify my response. Yes, there are "national socialists" in the US. There is a Socialist Party USA. There is an American Nazi Party. I don't know what a "Neo-Nazi" is but for expediency I'm willing to stipulate that there are a few of them, sure, whatever they are.

 

[AProudLefty]

No. A living human with a heartbeat can be either conscious or unconscious. Note: I still fail to see how this is relevant.

I know you fail to see it.

After a number of weeks, a fetus develops consciousness. Prior to that, there's nobody home.

I figured it out. We had a miscommunication. When you wrote:


I had been speaking within the context of this board and you were speaking within the context of the US (or so I now believe).

Yeah that's what I meant. Though at least two posters here on this board never identify themselves as Neo-Nazis (as far as I know), they do express similar beliefs.

So, I will modify my response. Yes, there are "national socialists" in the US. There is a Socialist Party USA. There is an American Nazi Party. I don't know what a "Neo-Nazi" is but for expediency I'm willing to stipulate that there are a few of them, sure, whatever they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism

 

[IBDaMann]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

Thank you. I should have told you earlier, I don't trust Wikipedia and I don't use it; it's not an authoritative source. Wikipedia is awash in errors and political misinformation.

Do you have any authoritative sources for "Alt-Right"?

Again, I apologize for not having mentioned it earlier but it never really came up. I summarily dismiss Wikipedia articles ... also NASA and NOAA references.

From my own research it appears that "alt-right" is a fictitious "common enemy" that leftist leaders leverage to get gullible leftists to rally around them. It sounds an awful lot like how Hugo Chavez used to invoke the evil "United States" whenever he needed to distract attention away from some scandal/unrest/economic downturn and get Venezuelans to rally around him. The term might as well be "Alt-Santa'sElves" because there don't seem to be any actual real members ... it's just a fear-mongering tactic.

 

[AProudLefty]

Thank you. I should have told you earlier, I don't trust Wikipedia and I don't use it; it's not an authoritative source. Wikipedia is awash in errors and political misinformation.

There's references on the bottom on every Wiki entry. Anyway, what source do you want? There's SPLC and there's Fox News.

From my own research it appears that "alt-right" is a fictitious "common enemy" that leftist leaders leverage to get gullible leftists to rally around them. It sounds an awful lot like how Hugo Chavez used to invoke the evil "United States" whenever he needed to distract attention away from some scandal/unrest/economic downturn and get Venezuelans to rally around him. The term might as well be "Alt-Santa'sElves" because there don't seem to be any actual real members ... it's just a fear-mongering tactic.

But it wasn't the "left" that coined the term, "alt-right". Richard Spencer did.

BTW, it's funny that you don't see the irony because the "rightists" claim that the left is a fictitious "common enemy" and full of Commies.

 

[IBDaMann]

After a number of weeks, a fetus develops consciousness. Prior to that, there's nobody home.

Irrelevant. The fetus, with its heartbeat, is still a living human. No consciousness is required to be a living human. When a fighter gets choked unconscious in UFC, he does not lose his rights and protections as a living human.

So, if we could get you to answer the question which holds consciousness to be irrelevant ...

Do you claim that a fetus is somehow not a living human?

 

[AProudLefty]

Irrelevant. The fetus, with its heartbeat, is still a living human. No consciousness is required to be a living human. When a fighter gets choked unconscious in UFC, he does not lose his rights and protections as a living human.

Apparently you're confused as to what consciousness is.

So, if we could get you to answer the question which holds consciousness to be irrelevant ...

Do you claim that a fetus is somehow not a living human?

First you need to define "living human". First few days after fertilization, it's a "living human" according to your definition.

Yep I've seen that image many times.