Uh-oh...another communist/socialist on the rise in South America

I have to agree with Norway. We could have free healthcare too if we natinalized oil. Its the corruption that keeps us unable.
 
Foreign investors’ likes safe bets at lower returns than risky investments in unstable economies. Norway is still considered in the top 30 of the world’s freest economies with their highest scores in property rights, freedom from corruption and business rights.
 
Cypress said:
I'm not sure about Latin America.

But, Norway is a country that jealously guards its oil resources, and makes sure that the majority of their oil in under public/government ownership, and that the revenues from the public ownership of oil goes into a well run and transparent trust fund to invest in the retirement, social benefits, and future ecnomic security of norways citizens.



http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004024446_norway20.html


http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Norway/Oil.html
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My company invests billions of dollars of capital across the globe in institutional real estate and we will not touch Latin America with a ten foot pole. Now we take risks, i.e. investing in China, but if it was your fiduciary responsibility to guard this money would you trust Latin America and people like Hugo Chavez with billions of dollars?
 
uscitizen said:
I'm open if you can show me an example of a Latin American country where that has worked successfully.
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VZ so far , kinda like capitolism has worked so far in the USA. It all has to do with time periods. History has shown that no govt will last forever.
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What do you mean time periods and governments? When was the last time a Latin American country has been a true global economic force?
 
cawacko said:
My company invests billions of dollars of capital across the globe in institutional real estate and we will not touch Latin America with a ten foot pole. Now we take risks, i.e. investing in China, but if it was your fiduciary responsibility to guard this money would you trust Latin America and people like Hugo Chavez with billions of dollars?
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Ahh, so you are one of those CaWacko warns me about ? Off selling us out to China.
Yeah it is a lot safer than SA :rolleyes:

Well maybe finiancially, but not safe for our country.

I guess it is better to get involved with a 2,000 LB gorilla instead of an assorment of Bunny Rabbits ?
 
Mexico...........

cawacko said:
What do you mean time periods and governments? When was the last time a Latin American country has been a true global economic force?
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1846...of course Spain was running the show...but conceeded to Captain Freemont...and moved back to Spain...leaving Mexico to the Natives...and California ,New Mexico and Utah territories to the US!:D
 
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cawacko said:
What do you mean time periods and governments? When was the last time a Latin American country has been a true global economic force?
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Never, but since when has China been a global economic force either ?
Things Change, including govts.
 
uscitizen said:
Ahh, so you are one of those CaWacko warns me about ? Off selling us out to China.
Yeah it is a lot safer than SA :rolleyes:

Well maybe finiancially, but not safe for our country.
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I didn't warn you about me. You must be thinking of some other handsome intelligent gentleman.

How did I sell you out to China? We have several funds set up to invest in China. A majority of the money comes from offshore so I'm not sure how I'm selling America out. And we have U.S. clients that want divisificiation i.e. investment outside of the U.S.

We are not a zero sum game. To set up a fund in China does not mean we must close a fund in the U.S. It is about offering services your investors want. So sorry to disappoint you but there is no 'selling out to China' going on here.
 
I like cawacko's company don't invest much in Sa. China, most people with a college education know how important investing in them is.
 
cawacko said:
I didn't warn you about me. You must be thinking of some other handsome intelligent gentleman.

How did I sell you out to China? We have several funds set up to invest in China. A majority of the money comes from offshore so I'm not sure how I'm selling America out. And we have U.S. clients that want divisificiation i.e. investment outside of the U.S.

We are not a zero sum game. To set up a fund in China does not mean we must close a fund in the U.S. It is about offering services your investors want. So sorry to disappoint you but there is no 'selling out to China' going on here.
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DARNIT. I messed up . sorry all.

corrected version.

Ahh, so you are one of those Asshat warns me about ? Off selling us out to China.
Yeah it is a lot safer than SA

Well maybe finiancially, but not safe for our country.

I guess it is better to get involved with a 2,000 LB gorilla instead of an assorment of Bunny Rabbits ?
 
uscitizen said:
Never, but since when has China been a global economic force either ?
Things Change, including govts.
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China is one country, Latin America is a group of countries so it is apples and oranges.

China has begun to open its economy to investment and eased up on restrictions of property rights etc. Not the same in Latin America. On a chat board you can be as cynical as you want. In the real world when you have the fidutiary responsibility (even if i can't spell it) on behalf of billions of dollars the safety of your investment is paramount.
 
uscitizen said:
DARNIT. I messed up . sorry all.

corrected version.

Ahh, so you are one of those Asshat warns me about ? Off selling us out to China.
Yeah it is a lot safer than SA

Well maybe finiancially, but not safe for our country.

I guess it is better to get involved with a 2,000 LB gorilla instead of an assorment of Bunny Rabbits ?
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Asshat can't think beyond the zero sum game of close a factory in the U.S. = negative 20 American jobs to open a factory in China = 20 new Chinese jobs.

We (and many others) don't operate that way. It's about expanding services and options for investors. We represent public pension funds (government union employees) who are asking us to invest in places like China. Talk to some of the heads of the government run pension funds if there are complaints.
 
Yeah next quarters profits, damn lower working class don't invest thru ya much anyway. Investors, now that is where the money is at.
Too bad there is little humanity in there with them.

:burn:

And no it is not a zero sum game, but it is closer to that end than you want to admit.
 
uscitizen said:
Yeah next quarters profits, damn lower working class don't invest thru ya much anyway. Investors, now that is where the money is at.
Too bad there is little humanity in there with them.

:burn:

And no it is not a zero sum game, but it is closer to that end than you want to admit.
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Are you talking about anything in particular? Our investments in real estate have nothing to do with next quarters profit. I also didn't realize it was inhumane to invest in real estate of behalf of "working people".

The facile nature of chanting slogans on a chat board vs. real world and real life activity are quite easy to see here.
 
uscitizen said:
Yeah next quarters profits, damn lower working class don't invest thru ya much anyway. Investors, now that is where the money is at.
Too bad there is little humanity in there with them.

:burn:

And no it is not a zero sum game, but it is closer to that end than you want to admit.
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I would like to know about this zero sum game. Are you suggesting investors will want less diversification in the future and will say for example only the U.S. or only China but not both?
 
Since it is a greater Profit area due to less environmental or humanitarian regs on industry in China, they will far out grow us for many years. And this process will continue to drain the stupit people in and the government of the USA.

It is already in motion.
 
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