Ukraine running out of ammunition, losing ground

Stone said:
Impossible. The board lefties have been telling us all along how badly Ukraine has been kicking Russian ass and how terrible the Russian army is. The posts are all over this board and LOTS of them. So,...if Russia cant even beat Ukraine how in the world could they possibly even stand a chance against NATO even if the U.S were not involved? They wouldnt. WORDS HAVE MEANING......;)
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Not all words, yours for example. As for Russia defeating Ukraine, which it was promising to do in about three weeks when the war started four years ago, Ukraine is struggling somewhat now for lack of weapons and ammunition, not will.
 
"The biggest mistake I have made over my career was believing in the West....believing the West...NEVER AGAIN (paraphrase)"
Putin
 
martin said:
Not all words, yours for example. As for Russia defeating Ukraine, which it was promising to do in about three weeks when the war started four years ago, Ukraine is struggling somewhat now for lack of weapons and ammunition, not will.
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:chuckle:
 
Stone said:
Impossible. The board lefties have been telling us all along how badly Ukraine has been kicking Russian ass and how terrible the Russian army is. The posts are all over this board and LOTS of them. So,...if Russia cant even beat Ukraine how in the world could they possibly even stand a chance against NATO even if the U.S were not involved? They wouldnt. WORDS HAVE MEANING......;)
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If Trump backed the US out of NATO, it would probably cease to exist.

The former NATO countries of Europe would be no match for an expanded Russia, who would now have Ukraine and its resources added in.

The countries of Europe, who've been through two destructive major world wars, would probably rather capitulate rather than be destroyed again.

Besides, the righties are telling us how tenacious Russia is and how willing they are to stick with it and wear down their opponent.

I think that if Russia conquers Ukraine they'll have their sights set on at least some of the Eastern European countries.

Trump or no Trump.
 
Nomad said:
If Trump backed the US out of NATO, it would probably cease to exist.

The former NATO countries of Europe would be no match for an expanded Russia, who would now have Ukraine and its resources added in.

The countries of Europe, who've been through two destructive major world wars, would probably rather capitulate rather than be destroyed again.

Besides, the righties are telling us how tenacious Russia is and how willing they are to stick with it and wear down their opponent.

I think that if Russia conquers Ukraine they'll have their sights set on at least some of the Eastern European countries.

Trump or no Trump.
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It should have died in 95....now it is a tool of EVIL....the West has become vampires the Russians claim.
 
The Russians have nothing but contempt for us now....that wont be changing for a long time....and it is fasting becoming the dominant opinion on this planet.

Buckle Up.
 
Cypress said:
The trajectory of this war now almost completely depends on Republicans.
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Almost. Even Biden has effectively abandoned Ukraine.
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...92s-Plan-To-Link-Ukraine-Aid-And-LNG-Reversal


Best thing for Ukraine to do now is surrender and beg the kremlin to pardon Ukrainian freedom fighters. Which of course Russians would never do.
It’s just not in their DNA.
I say this reluctantly because I was all in for giving Ukraine whatever they needed from Day One. I still am.
But realistically, it’s over.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The Russians have nothing but contempt for us now....that wont be changing for a long time....and it is fasting becoming the dominant opinion on this planet.

Buckle Up.
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Fuck the Russians, and hopefully the F-16s will help fuck them even more!

Two groups of Ukrainian pilots are already honing their skills on F-16s

Several groups of Ukrainian pilots have advanced their F-16 training in allied countries.

Ilia Yevlash, spokesman for the Ukrainian Air Force, reported on this.

According to Yevlash, two advanced groups are currently in Denmark and the United States, where they are honing their skills on F-16s

One more group is undergoing ground training in England: in particular, they are learning the language, which is one of the priority areas.

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F-16 pilot. USA. 2024. Photo credits: 162nd Wing“The planes are foreign-made, so proper knowledge of the English language is necessary,” the speaker explained.

In addition to pilots, the training of technical personnel continues, so that in the future, these specialists will already train their colleagues in Ukraine.

As early as 2023, France, which does not have these fighter jets, said it could help Ukraine with training.
The French Air and Space Force provides Ukrainian pilots with basic training, and then sends them to other countries for special training for the F-16 fighter jet.

Previously, Romanian President Klaus Iohannis approved the training of Ukrainian pilots on F-16 fighter jets at a training center in Romania.

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F-16BM of the Netherlands Air Force in Romania. Photo by Kajsa OllongrenThe media reported that twelve Ukrainian pilots were expected to be ready for combat missions on F-16s by this summer after 10 months of training in Denmark, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

As previously reported, Belgium will allocate €100 million for the maintenance of Ukraine’s F-16 fighter jet fleet. The Dutch government will purchase aviation weapons for F-16 fighter jets, which will soon be transferred to Ukraine.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/two-groups-of-ukrainian-pilots-are-already-honing-their-skills-on-f-16s/


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Current estimates are that the Russians are removing each day over 1000 Ukrainians and their moronic mercenaries from the battlefield.....something under 75 Russians are leaving via death or injury.

Who do you suppose wins?
 
i am not liking the direction of travel:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1775954561418645641

Our NATO friends have got a new mantra. Now they are collectively saying that intervention in “Ukraine” is not in plans. Just some troops will enter an area near Lvov and maybe Kiev to relieve the Ukrainian army. Kind of, doing housekeeping and organising; training; bringing elite special forces to some places. Nothing more. Implication: people of our countries, relax. There will be but a few coffins. And you, Russians, don’t get too anxious, we are not going to make war.

Just totally brazen brutes who hold all the world for fools! All these microgenital NATO organs have to follow orders by the ukrainian military forces and none other! Otherwise, they won’t be allowed even into such a squalid, dying country as “Ukraine”.

That means they will become part of the regular forces who are now fighting against us. Which is why they can only be treated as enemies; and not just enemies, but as elite detachments, Hitler’s SS punishers. And there can only be one rule for these overseas lice, who, unlike the unfortunate Ukrainians, were not forced to go to war: no prisoners taken! And for each NATO fighter killed, blown-up, or burned there must be a maximum reward. And no giving the bodies back. Let the relatives abroad suffer.
 
Cypress said:
I don't think rank and file Republicans actually have their own independent belief system.

They are just going to jump on the bandwagon of whatever their MAGA Messiahs tell them to believe.

If Trump and MAGA Mike Johnson tell them to abandon Ukraine to totalitarian Russia, MAGAs will start bending themselves into pretzels to justify taking the pro-Putin approach
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Agreed. OTOH, if Donnie flip-flopped and supported Ukraine then the MAGAt sheeple would do the same.

JPP MAGAts would be posting screeds about how necessary it is to support Ukraine.
 
I sure hope MAGA Mike Johnson will allow a floor vote on military aid to Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan this weekend
 
Hawkeye10 said:
"The biggest mistake I have made over my career was believing in the West....believing the West...NEVER AGAIN (paraphrase)"
Putin
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If you could find an actual quote from Putin that's somewhat similar to the above, I'd be interested in seeing it. I can certainly believe that Putin may well think this even if he hasn't quite said it.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Current estimates are that the Russians are removing each day over 1000 Ukrainians and their moronic mercenaries from the battlefield.....something under 75 Russians are leaving via death or injury.
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Could you tell me where you heard any of those estimates?
 
Nomad said:
Phoenyx said:
No point in throwing good money after bad.
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Phoenyx said:
There's a lot of evidence that the only reason Russia even -started- its incursion into Ukraine back in February 2022 is because Ukraine had started bombing the Donbass region and had made it clear they intended to take Crimea soon after. A month after the war started, Russia said it was willing to leave all of Ukraine if Ukraine agreed to leave Crimea be, let the Donbass region be more independent from Ukraine and agree not to join NATO. The west told Ukraine not to take the deal and now Ukraine's a lot worse off, having lost a lot more territory since then. The irony though, is that I see no reason to believe that Ukraine couldn't still make a deal that could save it from losing even more territory. So no, this is not about fighting for freedom, this is about trying to get all the territory Ukraine has lost since shortly after the Euromaidan coup.
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Trying to protect Europe from Russian encroachment is not a waste of money
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If -only- that was what this was all about. I could think that perhaps the west's actually doing the right thing. Instead, it's the other way around- Russia's had enough with the -West's- NATO encroachment despite the U.S.'s promise not to move NATO "one inch to the east" of Germany, to say nothing of Western Ukraine and its western allies slaughtering Russian speakers and ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine for the 8 years between 2014 and 2022. A former Swiss Intelligence officer set the record straight on what really happened before Russia's military intervention. I made a thread about it here:
Former Swiss Intelligence Officer blows the whistle on West's Ukraine War Narrative | justplainpolitics.com

Nomad said:
If Trump gets back in office, he'll very likely abandon NATO.
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It's things like this that make me think that perhaps Trump would be a better choice than Biden for the next Presidential term. I don't support either of them though- it's somewhat similar to voting for Hitler or Stalin. Sure, one might be worse than the other, but that doesn't mean you should support the other one.

Nomad said:
With Ukraine fallen to Russia, there will be little to stop Putin from devouring as much of Europe as he wants.
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Putin's made it abundantly clear that he has no interest in the rest of Europe. As a matter of fact, after he accepted Crimea's wish to rejoin Russia 8 years ago, he actually -discouraged- Ukraine's Donbas region from holding elections to become more independent from Ukraine, while working hard on the 2 Minsk agreements in the hopes that that would settle things. Only when it became abundantly clear that Ukraine not only had no intention of working out a diplomatic solution, but was once again trying to retake the Donbas region by force did he finally decide that military intervention was the only way to resolve this conflict in a manner acceptable to Russia.
 
Phoenyx said:
If you could find an actual quote from Putin that's somewhat similar to the above, I'd be interested in seeing it. I can certainly believe that Putin may well think this even if he hasn't quite said it.
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Will you do your own homework, Marv.
 
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