Was FDR a fascist?

I will always have a soft spot for FDR because of his handling of WWII. A simply remarkable time in this nations history ("As only the History Channel can bring you!) and for that president. As for the Depression, we didn't begin to clime out of it until war broke out in 1939, at which time the economy had been on its way back down to early 1932 levels as a result of the Roosevelt Recession of 1937.
 
Beefy said:
Why? Fascists are socialists, by definition. Lipstick + Pig = Pig with lipstick.

How shocking.
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Fascists are hardly socialists. Though there may be some similarities, they are certainly distinct philosophies (with the former being far superior to the latter, as luck would have it.)
 
gonzojournals said:
Fascists are hardly socialists. Though there may be some similarities, they are certainly distinct philosophies (with the former being far superior to the latter, as luck would have it.)
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Okay, they're socialists that like to go to war. So there is a difference.

But its still a pig.
 
Beefy said:
Okay, they're socialists that like to go to war. So there is a difference.

But its still a pig.
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Wrong again. Socialism (especially throughout history) is used largely as a euphemism for communism, and still falls in line with Marxist teachings.

Fascism, however, is a rejection of Marxism.
 
Battleborne said:
for the sake of a true debate...post the link that qualifies there has ever been a tax rate of 91%...you guys are unbelieveable! Well unless you want to take this debate to the Roman era...then I would agree with the tax rate of 91%...:rolleyes:
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You can't be that thick man. I posted it, then reminded you where I posted it. Go to wikipedia and look up FDR.
 
Battleborne said:
upper income level before deductions and such...the taxable income was far less than the scale...and did not address the middle class and lower! Get real...if the tax rate was a real 94% everyone would have been living on the street or shanties at best...
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Many were. Read the Grapes of Wrath.
 
gonzojournals said:
Wrong again. Socialism (especially throughout history) is used largely as a euphemism for communism, and still falls in line with Marxist teachings.

Fascism, however, is a rejection of Marxism.
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Only on its face. Capitalism is a rejection of Marxism as well, but look at Scandanavia. They're socialist countries with capatalist economic engines as their means of production.

The line can get fuzzy.

Fascism should be dead and buried. The world is better off for it.
 
Beefy said:
Only on its face. Capitalism is a rejection of Marxism as well, but look at Scandanavia. They're socialist countries with capatalist economic engines as their means of production.
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Fascism is a rejection both of Marxism and Capitalism (or at least what Capitalism has become)-- a third path, if you will.

The line can get fuzzy.
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I agree.

Fascism should be dead and buried. The world is better off for it.
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Why? Because people that weren't really fascists gave it a bad name?
 
gonzojournals said:
Fascism is a rejection both of Marxism and Capitalism (or at least what Capitalism has become)-- a third path, if you will.


I agree.


Why? Because people that weren't really fascists gave it a bad name?
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Thats like saying the USSR, China, Vietnam, Cuba..... Aren't really communist, that they gave it a bad name. But that's what happens in practice.

Same goes for fascism.
 
Beefy said:
Thats like saying the USSR, China, Vietnam, Cuba..... Aren't really communist, that they gave it a bad name. But that's what happens in practice.

Same goes for fascism.
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Exactly. I agree with that statement totally. Communism would be the perfect system of government the world has ever known if it could ever be possibly implemented.

However, Fascism is actually possible without the atrocities that "fascists" have forever bound it to....communism, on the other hand, would be impossible to actually implement.
 
Epicurus said:
Ah yes, your famous "Fascism was so misunderstood" argument.

I'll grab my popcorn.
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Fascism is still misunderstood-- thus the need for a new name and a change to a few of the ideas I don't agree with, so that it may be improved and removed from the negativity that false fascists have given it.

EDIt: Let me clarify--- the "fascism" of 20th century Europe is not misunderstood--- it is exactly as atrocious and evil as history would teach us. However, Fascism itself continues to be misrepresented by the association with those regimes.
 
gonzojournals said:
Fascism is still misunderstood-- thus the need for a new name and a change to a few of the ideas I don't agree with, so that it may be improved and removed from the negativity that false fascists have given it.
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Yeah the whole "Eradicating Judaism" idea really has to go.
 
Epicurus said:
Yeah the whole "Eradicating Judaism" idea really has to go.
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Eradicating Judaism is not part of fascist doctrine and you damn well know it--- that is something that Hitler and, later, the Bitch Incarnation of Mussolini ended up advocating.

In the original philosophy it is never mentioned nor is it relevant to politics.

The only reason I am not pissed at you is because I know you are just breaking my balls.
 
gonzojournals said:
Fascism is still misunderstood-- thus the need for a new name and a change to a few of the ideas I don't agree with, so that it may be improved and removed from the negativity that false fascists have given it.....
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After the results of the Florida Primary it appears that we might se a nice little renaming of it: The Democrat Party.
 
Southern Man said:
After the results of the Florida Primary it appears that we might se a nice little renaming of it: The Democrat Party.
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Ew, I hope not. I would prefer my National Collaborativism to have a shot before the Democratic communists force us into some sort of abhorrent totalitarian regime.

There is nothing wrong with authority per se, but the Democratic Party wants a totalitarianism that I am opposed to ideologically and rationally.
 
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