Were Confederate soldiers terrorists?

1. Your hatred must have blinded you. I'm not defending the confederacy here, I'm saying that many in the South were Republicans and fought against the racist Democrats.
2. The Southern Man said: "If the Dem Party bosses were black and they catered to whites the [blind devotion to the Dem Party] would be the same [as if the Party bosses were white and they catered to blacks]." If you think otherwise then you must be racist.
3. Welfare and public housing isn't earned Libbie. Neither is subsidized pay, subsidized college grants or food stamps. I've never gotten any of that.

Here's the thing, folks. Southie is your a-typical dishonest bigot....regurgitates every racist stereotype, half-truth and distortion that has been played out in America for the past 40 years or so....but when properly challenged, he tries to revise the exchanges done on this thread and edit them to his advantage. For those interested in the truth, here's the exchange as it transpired.....note how Southie merely ignores this and simply parrots the same bilge

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=634927&postcount=196
 
Translation: this intellectually impotent clown cannot logically or factually disprove what I wrote....yet he whines and stamps his widdle feet against what I write as being not true and unsubstantiated opinion....then the dope claims it's not worth discussing...yet he just has to throw in his two cents, thus contradicting himself. :palm: "Bravo" indeed.


You say something stupid in the extreme that you CAN'T PROVE and we MUST disprove it...?

Get a clue Peckerhead....thats laughable...
 
Did the black slave owners own any white slaves?:cof1:
Short answer? Probably.

Long answer? I don't know. Both were taken as slaves (in addition to Indians and various Hispanics), but blacks were the largest group. Therefore it's entirely possibly that there were white slaves with black slave masters, but truth be told, I don't know.
 
Here's the thing, folks. Southie is your a-typical dishonest bigot....regurgitates every racist stereotype, half-truth and distortion that has been played out in America for the past 40 years or so....but when properly challenged, he tries to revise the exchanges done on this thread and edit them to his advantage. For those interested in the truth, here's the exchange as it transpired.....note how Southie merely ignores this and simply parrots the same bilge

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=634927&postcount=196
Linking to the same post that I responded to doesn't cut it Libbie. Why are you afraid to address my responses to your three comments? Here's the obvious answers, enumerated for each of the three issues:

1. You accused me of defending the Confederacy which was blatantly incorrect, showing your ignorance and bias towards anything Southern.
2. My response proved you to be a racist.
3. You accused me of benefiting from Liberal social policies, again blatantly incorrect.

So now you merely ignore this and simply parrot the same bilge.
 
You say something stupid in the extreme that you CAN'T PROVE and we MUST disprove it...?

Get a clue Peckerhead....thats laughable...


Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Here are some hard to live with truths about this issue:

1) The radical republicans of old Don't exist anymore
2) The Dixie-crats DO NOT run the Democratic Party anymore
3) Slavery WAS a secondary issue until Lincoln realized he needed black folk to help win the war...then he became more than just a philosophizing "emancipator".
4) Without a century and a half of slavery, the "confederacy" wouldn't have the economic means to wage the war to the extent it did.
5) THAT CENTURIES OF SLAVERY IS CONSIDERED A SIDE ISSUE IN THE ROMANTICIZING OF THE CONFEDERACY SPEAKS VOLUMES TO THE MINDSET......THAT ENSLAVEMENT AND DETRIMENTAL TREATMENT OF AN ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE WAS JUST AN AFTERTHOUGHT THAT WOULD "EVENTUALLY" BE RESOVLED BY THE FOLK WHO BENEFITTED MOST FROM THIS EVIL. PUH-LEEZE!

So please tell everyone what is untrue about the above? What cannot be proven? Or are you going to wuss out as usual with a bunch of generalized and vague accusations and assertions? Put up or shut up, you ignorant lout.
 
Linking to the same post that I responded to doesn't cut it Libbie. Why are you afraid to address my responses to your three comments? Here's the obvious answers, enumerated for each of the three issues:

1. You accused me of defending the Confederacy which was blatantly incorrect, showing your ignorance and bias towards anything Southern.
2. My response proved you to be a racist.
3. You accused me of benefiting from Liberal social policies, again blatantly incorrect.

So now you merely ignore this and simply parrot the same bilge.

:palm: Hey genius.....get your momma to explain to you how to logically and factually prove your accusation in print....your saying it's so doesn't cut it.

Your "responses" were addressed...that you have no logical or factual counter is not an invite to consistently repeat your supposition and conjecture as fact.

And guess what, jackass....your public education is a result from a FEDERAL mandate that states have to meet. Same thing regarding all those nice little immunization shots you got as a child....I could go on, but your level of ignorance and denial pretty much puts me off wasting time on your willfully ignorant dumbass.

Here's what I put forth that your Buddy Dixie blew a gasket over and your dopey ass ran to defend him on. To date...you're just blowing smoke


Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Here are some hard to live with truths about this issue:

1) The radical republicans of old Don't exist anymore
2) The Dixie-crats DO NOT run the Democratic Party anymore
3) Slavery WAS a secondary issue until Lincoln realized he needed black folk to help win the war...then he became more than just a philosophizing "emancipator".
4) Without a century and a half of slavery, the "confederacy" wouldn't have the economic means to wage the war to the extent it did.
5) THAT CENTURIES OF SLAVERY IS CONSIDERED A SIDE ISSUE IN THE ROMANTICIZING OF THE CONFEDERACY SPEAKS VOLUMES TO THE MINDSET......THAT ENSLAVEMENT AND DETRIMENTAL TREATMENT OF AN ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE WAS JUST AN AFTERTHOUGHT THAT WOULD "EVENTUALLY" BE RESOVLED BY THE FOLK WHO BENEFITTED MOST FROM THIS EVIL. PUH-LEEZE!
 
Originally Posted by Dixie View Post
I never said it was okay, I said it was legal. You state a moot point that's common knowledge. Why? It doesn't justify slavery, and since you insinuate that you didn't agree with it, why state the obvious.

Because it seems to NOT be obvious to many who want to imply it was illegal to own slaves in 1860 America, or that Southerners were doing something they weren't supposed to be, or shouldn't be doing. The legality of slavery doesn't justify slavery, but it does justify why businesses used slaves to harvest cotton.

I never pretended the cotton picked itself, in fact, I stated very clearly that slaves picked the cotton! No shit sherlock....and previous to that you state that they were not the backbone of the financial situation....a pretty dumb statement given that without the slaves, the cotton would NOT have been harvested at the rate it was for two centuries. It's YOU that try to separate the two...and you failed.

I stated that slavery wasn't the backbone of the economy, which was what you stated. Cotton was the backbone of the economy, and slaves were indeed instrumental in harvesting the cotton. There were a number of reasons cotton was the backbone of the economy, namely Northern textile industrialization and demand for cotton, spurred by the invention of the cotton gin. None of these things pertained to the social issue of African slavery, or what to do about it. I separate the two because they are two separate issues.

It's right there in black and white in the post you are responding to, idiot! Can't you fucking read, you illiterate hick? See above responses, folks.

Yeah folks, see the above responses where I state basically the exact same thing as this idiot, regarding slavery not being the cause for the Civil War, and he just keeps on trying to morph my comments into something he can find fault with. I state the truth, that slavery was legal, and that translates to Chicklet as me saying, slavery was legal therefore it was good and right! I never actually said that, but when Chicklet reads my post, he interprets that from my comments. It's really fascinating to watch him do this over and over again.

What I won't "pretend" is that slavery was not legal, No one said it wasn't, you braying jackass....and the South was doing something illegal by using slave labor to pick cotton. No one said they were at the time, you braying jackass I can't "pretend" that the South invented slavery, or that it was merely something they did against the will of the government or society in general, because that is a fucking bald-face lie. No one said they did, you braying jackass....

See how much we agree on and Chicklet ADMITS we agree on? So why is he continuing to argue as if I have said something he has to contradict and refute? If no one has indicated these things, then we agree on it, and we can move along, right?

the discussion is about the romantic fantasy of the Confederacy fight against "northern aggression" and how slavery was really an inconsequential issue...as if there was never an anti-slavery movement in the country prior to the Civil War.

Again, nothing I have posted has "romanticized" the Confederacy and I have never called it a fight against "northern aggression." I never said slavery was an "inconsequential issue" and I went out of my way to explain precisely how slavery was involved as an issue, how it pertained to SCOTUS interpretations of "property rights" at the time, and how we need to evaluate the history based on the perspectives and viewpoints of the time, rather than trying to apply a modern view that didn't exist then. I have never stated there wasn't an anti-slavery movement, only that the anti-slavery movement wasn't necessarily based on a viewpoint of racial equality or civil rights for blacks.

I've not dodged a damn thing, I haven't said what you claimed I said, and there is nothing "revisionist" about anything I've stated. A lie....as I've just demonstrated here.

How have you demonstrated any such thing? All I see is you mis-characterizing things I have said, or attributing things to me that I never said. The only thing you are demonstrating, is a willingness to be dishonest, and a defiantly bigoted viewpoint that prevents you from realizing your own ignorance.

You can call me racist every time you post, I don't give a flying fuck, it doesn't bother me in the least, because I know I am not a racist and never have been.
And yet your writings belie your protests. You're just another bigoted, revisionist hack with delusions of intellectualism. My previous statements stand...and you can't BS your way around it. Carry on.

I haven't "revised" anything except your incorrect assertions and viewpoints regarding historical facts. I have given you ample credit where you were correct, and I have explained where you are wrong, but you want to continue hurling names and accusations, and making outright slanderous allegations about me and what I believe, without any basis whatsoever.

Your previous statements STAND as a testament to what a bigoted closed-minded fuckwit you are. They STAND as evidence of how intolerant and ignorant of historical fact your viewpoints are, and after repeated opportunities to present a coherent argument, they STAND for your inability to do so.
 
:palm: Hey genius.....get your momma to explain to you how to logically and factually prove your accusation in print....your saying it's so doesn't cut it.

Your "responses" were addressed...that you have no logical or factual counter is not an invite to consistently repeat your supposition and conjecture as fact.

And guess what, jackass....your public education is a result from a FEDERAL mandate that states have to meet. Same thing regarding all those nice little immunization shots you got as a child....I could go on, but your level of ignorance and denial pretty much puts me off wasting time on your willfully ignorant dumbass.

Here's what I put forth that your Buddy Dixie blew a gasket over and your dopey ass ran to defend him on. To date...you're just blowing smoke

1. Show where I defended the Confederacy. You can't because you fucked up.
2. Since you don't agree that a voting block would behave the same under similar circumstances regardless of race, the only conclusion is that you are racist. What other possible conclusion can be found?
3. I graduated high school two years before creation of the US Dept of Education, therefore the feds had nothing to do with my education. Te amount of taxes that my parents paid in that state for 45 years more than offset the costs incurred to educate me for 12.
4. Show where I defended Dixie in this thread.
 
Because it seems to NOT be obvious to many who want to imply it was illegal to own slaves in 1860 America, or that Southerners were doing something they weren't supposed to be, or shouldn't be doing. The legality of slavery doesn't justify slavery, but it does justify why businesses used slaves to harvest cotton.



I stated that slavery wasn't the backbone of the economy, which was what you stated. Cotton was the backbone of the economy, and slaves were indeed instrumental in harvesting the cotton. There were a number of reasons cotton was the backbone of the economy, namely Northern textile industrialization and demand for cotton, spurred by the invention of the cotton gin. None of these things pertained to the social issue of African slavery, or what to do about it. I separate the two because they are two separate issues.



Yeah folks, see the above responses where I state basically the exact same thing as this idiot, regarding slavery not being the cause for the Civil War, and he just keeps on trying to morph my comments into something he can find fault with. I state the truth, that slavery was legal, and that translates to Chicklet as me saying, slavery was legal therefore it was good and right! I never actually said that, but when Chicklet reads my post, he interprets that from my comments. It's really fascinating to watch him do this over and over again.



See how much we agree on and Chicklet ADMITS we agree on? So why is he continuing to argue as if I have said something he has to contradict and refute? If no one has indicated these things, then we agree on it, and we can move along, right?



Again, nothing I have posted has "romanticized" the Confederacy and I have never called it a fight against "northern aggression." I never said slavery was an "inconsequential issue" and I went out of my way to explain precisely how slavery was involved as an issue, how it pertained to SCOTUS interpretations of "property rights" at the time, and how we need to evaluate the history based on the perspectives and viewpoints of the time, rather than trying to apply a modern view that didn't exist then. I have never stated there wasn't an anti-slavery movement, only that the anti-slavery movement wasn't necessarily based on a viewpoint of racial equality or civil rights for blacks.



How have you demonstrated any such thing? All I see is you mis-characterizing things I have said, or attributing things to me that I never said. The only thing you are demonstrating, is a willingness to be dishonest, and a defiantly bigoted viewpoint that prevents you from realizing your own ignorance.



I haven't "revised" anything except your incorrect assertions and viewpoints regarding historical facts. I have given you ample credit where you were correct, and I have explained where you are wrong, but you want to continue hurling names and accusations, and making outright slanderous allegations about me and what I believe, without any basis whatsoever.

Your previous statements STAND as a testament to what a bigoted closed-minded fuckwit you are. They STAND as evidence of how intolerant and ignorant of historical fact your viewpoints are, and after repeated opportunities to present a coherent argument, they STAND for your inability to do so.

For those of you who want to know what actually transpired:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=634937&postcount=198

Dixie just regurgitates the SOS he always does....thinking that his moot points and convoluted logic excuses his apologetic agenda for the Confederacy and his contradictory statements regarding slavery. Dixie is just another sheet wearing clown with delusions of intellectualism. He's done, and digs his own grave with each post. Watch him go.
 
3. I graduated high school two years before creation of the US Dept of Education, therefore the feds had nothing to do with my education.
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The Federal Department of Health, Education, and Welfare was created by President Eisenhower in the 1950s. It was only broke into a separate cabinet level agency in the late 1970s.

So, unless you're the same age as John McCain; i.e., one hundred and eleven years old, your education was, in part funded and enabled by federal tax dollars.

And if you ever went to college or university, your education was subsidized or enabled, in part, by federal funding to both public and private universities.


But you may commence with the old conservative canard that you pulled yourself up by your own boot straps, that you were entirely self reliant. Those kind of Daniel Boone rightwing fantasies always get a laugh.
 
The Federal Department of Health, Education, and Welfare was created by President Eisenhower in the 1950s. It was only broke into a separate cabinet level agency in the late 1970s.

So, unless you're the same age as John McCain; i.e., one hundred and eleven years old, your education was, in part funded and enabled by federal tax dollars.

And if you ever went to college or university, your education was subsidized or enabled, in part, by federal funding to both public and private universities.


But you may commence with the old conservative canard that you pulled yourself up by your own boot straps, that you were entirely self reliant. Those kind of Daniel Boone rightwing fantasies always get a laugh.

He claims to have lived in Mass, NY, and the Piedmont and it looks like he claims to have been old enough to vote in all 3. How old is this fucker?
 
The Federal Department of Health, Education, and Welfare was created by President Eisenhower in the 1950s. It was only broke into a separate cabinet level agency in the late 1970s.

So, unless you're the same age as John McCain; i.e., one hundred and eleven years old, your education was, in part funded and enabled by federal tax dollars.

And if you ever went to college or university, your education was subsidized or enabled, in part, by federal funding to both public and private universities.


But you may commence with the old conservative canard that you pulled yourself up by your own boot straps, that you were entirely self reliant. Those kind of Daniel Boone rightwing fantasies always get a laugh.
The United States Department of Education, also referred to as ED or the ED for (the) Education Department, is a Cabinet-level department of the United States government. Created by the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88), it was signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on October 17, 1979 and began operating on May 16, 1980.

A previous Department of Education was created in 1867 but soon was demoted to an Office in 1868.
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Regardless, what my parents and I have paid in taxes has more than offset any minor contribution that state or federal governments has contributed to my education.

When I left NY a lib-tard friend of mine postulated that I owed that state for my wife's education, since she received a graduate degree from a NYS university. I told him that based on the difference in the taxes between NC and NYS, over the period of time that her parents and I paid NY taxes, NYS in fact owed us.
 
And today you insult people to their face in public.

Do they pity you and refain from kicking your ass because you're using a walker, or is the baggy Depends in your trousers that deter them?
I'm not on a walker or Depends, in fact I'm in remarkable good shape for someone of my age. Just ask any of the 20-something ski bums that I routinely put a whoop-ass on.

I suspect folks "refain" from "kicking my ass" because folks in The South generally don't go around attempting to kick asses of folks that they don't know. They have more sense than that, even the lib-tards.
 
I'm not on a walker or Depends, in fact I'm in remarkable good shape for someone of my age. Just ask any of the 20-something ski bums that I routinely put a whoop-ass on.

I suspect folks "refain" from "kicking my ass" because folks in The South generally don't go around attempting to kick asses of folks that they don't know. They have more sense than that, even the lib-tards.

I just have to admire a man who can carry lies that big around without putting wheels on 'em.
 
I'm not on a walker or Depends, in fact I'm in remarkable good shape for someone of my age. Just ask any of the 20-something ski bums that I routinely put a whoop-ass on.

I suspect folks "refain" from "kicking my ass" because folks in The South generally don't go around attempting to kick asses of folks that they don't know. They have more sense than that, even the lib-tards.

They prefer to just shoot each other up... :orang:
 
Well you could call it any number of things, not all belief in God revolves around Christianity. Jewish people believe in God, they aren't Christian, they are Jewish! Maybe Washington was a Jew?

But you say Washington was a Deist, and it is important to note what a Deist believes...

Deism is a religious and philosophical belief that a supreme being created the universe, and that this (and religious truth in general) can be determined using reason and observation of the natural world alone, without the need for either faith or organized religion.

Wow.... I never realized I was a Deist! That's almost exactly what I believe!

Deism is belief in a higher power without the dogma and religious organization of a church. It has always made sense to me, despite my own christian beliefs.
 
Short answer? Probably.

Long answer? I don't know. Both were taken as slaves (in addition to Indians and various Hispanics), but blacks were the largest group. Therefore it's entirely possibly that there were white slaves with black slave masters, but truth be told, I don't know.

Blacks did own slaves, but I have never seen any record of blacks owning white slaves. I would think that would not have been tolerated back then.

There were white indentured servants, but few (if any) white slaves as we understand the term.

Indians were taken as slaves, but they tended not to live long.

The irish and the chinese were used for the more dangerous work on plantations (roofing ect) because they were more expendable with no loss of investment.
 
United States Department of Education - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Regardless, what my parents and I have paid in taxes has more than offset any minor contribution that state or federal governments has contributed to my education.

When I left NY a lib-tard friend of mine postulated that I owed that state for my wife's education, since she received a graduate degree from a NYS university. I told him that based on the difference in the taxes between NC and NYS, over the period of time that her parents and I paid NY taxes, NYS in fact owed us.

Nice that you were able to decide where your taxes went. Let the rest of us know how you do that.
 
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