What can be done to prevent Islamic Jihadism in America
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SmilinJack
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So you admit islam is not suited for the modern world. Thanx
The rise of Islam in Turkey: how the West got it wrong
Islamism has undermined the Turkish Republic's secular social order, education and legal systems and Western pundits manifestly failed to see this coming, argues Turkish opposition MP, Safak Pavey.
The end of the Cold War did not free the world of polarised ideologies. Once the Berlin Wall fell, we hoped a new world would finally move beyond the conflict ridden past. Yet, not only did we face continuous conflicts but with the revival of religious traditions, God's role in politics was rekindled. We thought that the time for belief systems and politics which derive their legitimacy from God was over. But we were wrong. The current administration of Turkey, which was lauded as an example of a modern Islamic democracy, derives a considerable part of its mandate from the belief that they are carrying out God's mission of revenge against the godless secular system.
Islamism has hijacked my country, the Middle East and the 'Arab Spring', not only politically, but culturally as well.
Let us take the case of ISIS. It gave the Christians of Rakka three options: convert to Islam, remain Christian and pay the protection tax of the non-Muslim believers and submit to strict rules, or be prepared to die. The protection tax amounts to 14 grams of pure gold per capita. Some of the rules include prohibitions on making repairs to churches, wearing the cross or other religious symbols outside church and ringing the church bell.
Turkey's Islamists have not implemented these restrictive practices and rules formally because this would still require a major overhaul of the legal system, and they see ISIS as "uncivilized". But in everyday life social pressure is exercised in more subtle ways and people are intimidated through quiet repression on the street.
Our current situation is explained away by Western intellectuals who had nothing but praise for Erdogan ten years ago, and now claim he has transformed into a tyrant. The latest conclusion of these international commentators who sing the praises of Islamic democracy is that democracy befits our culture, but that the problem is with Erdogan's personality.
It would be a mistake to underestimate Erdogan. Ever since he entered politics at a young age, he aimed to become head of state because he believed only he could abolish the 'infidel / heretic' social system; that is how the secular state is perceived by political Islamists. But attributing the Islamic transformation of Turkey only to him, would be paying him too generous a compliment.
It would also be wrong to explain this turn of events with reference to differences between right and left, since these distinctions are far more complex in Turkey. The biggest chasm between left and right in our politics now is religion; it all hinges on whether "you are pious or not."
The cosmetic reforms that have been attributed to Erdogan and his Government, bringing him high repute, turned out to be window dressing to impress the West. Indeed, they all melted away swiftly within the repressive structure of emerging political Islam. Law came at the top the list of casualties. Government supporters are granted privileges and are above the law, while opponents are meted out the harshest sentences. Formal law is no longer implemented with the purpose of delivering justice but rather as a tool to deliver punishments to detractors.
It was only his Western counterparts and pundits who were hoping that someone with strong loyalties to Sharia would abide by secular law. By now, they must be amazed at how wrong they got it.
AKP has transformed Sunni identity into the dominant one in Turkey through religious references. Addressing the West, the AKP claimed that it was waging war on deeply rooted nationalism, but all the while it was spreading a far more insidious ideology. In fact, any scholar who works on Turkey knows that Middle Eastern style nationalism has always relied on religious pillars to survive.
In the course of Turkey's republican history we had the best attempts at democracy that could have come out of Islamic countries, despite stumbling, interruptions and the tests of perseverance we had to endure. AKP has been calling this political system the regime of secular elites who think it is their right to govern the republic. Yet political Islamists have been involved in various centre-right organizations and parties, and have been the recipients of many privileges - strengthening their presence progressively. For example, some of the staff who have served Erdogan include ministers and high level bureaucrats who have held these positions ever since they became civil servants decades ago.
However, Turkey's political Islamists were not content with the symbiotic relations they had created with the centre-right parties. They worked diligently to take over the host organization and reached managerial positions with a perseverance that is praised and advised in Islam through the act of taqiyya (a form of religious dissimulation that permits believers to conceal the truth in pursuit of their goals).
So we have come to this situation. The system that protected social rights and liberties, and was supported by a considerable number of citizens, has been destroyed by an invisible bulldozer, and the political Islamists now claim absolute victory. In their eyes, 'the infidel, heretic' secular republic has been defeated.
The most significant fallout of Islam is its destruction of secular education.
This issue is so important to Erdogan that he did not trust even his most loyal advisors, and instead put his own son in charge of the Islamization of education. In 2002, the number of pupils studying and graduating from the imam-hatip schools set up to train clerics was seventy thousand, now their number is one million. This number does not include the pupils who attend schools known as "hidden" cleric schools that are functioning under the guise of being regular public schools.
According to legal judicial investigation tapes, Bilal Erdoğan has himself stated that the handful of "the remaining pupils in the secular secondary education" have been integrated into the hidden imam-hatip cleric schools in order for them not to pose a threat to the Islamic regime in the future.
This aim has been achieved by assigning eleven hours of the forty hour week of lessons to Sunni religious education in state schools and prep schools. This is because the future generation cannot be left to the guidance of science; it must be conditioned to collective obedience through religion as the political Islamists demand.
Yet another policy devised by Erdogan's son has been the creation of a fraudulent demand for imam-hatip cleric schools through mosques and the media.
Women's behaviour, the laughter of a young woman, how much beer a young man drinks, who shares a house with whom and what kind of toilet they use (whether traditional or modern), all have to be under their surveillance. Living arrangements outside the prescriptions of the Holy Book are not crimes, but are considered to be sins to be eradicated. For instance, AKP politicians have destroyed as many modern toilets as modern sculptures. Tradition dismisses the comforts of modern life far too easily and readily.
Islamists define the morality of society in terms of woman's virtue and her relations with the opposite sex. This is why, in their eyes, girls and boys have to be segregated. Boys and girls cannot be on the same school grounds, and this includes university dorms. Students of different gender cannot be taught in the same building prior to university. Most school grounds have been gender-segregated in the past ten years.
My cousin has been a physics teacher for twenty years. During the last five years she was made to hand over her physics classes to a member of an Islamic tariqat (order). She was told to remain at the teacher's common room during her class periods, so that it looked as if physics was being taught at that hour as stated in the curriculum. For five years those pupils learned nothing about physics - and all about jihad. She felt incapable of changing the situation and therefore she resigned.
Unfortunately this hidden policy has been implemented surreptitiously and frequently over the past ten years, and is now being implemented openly. Boys are pushed to attend boarding schools, and thus kept away from their families, and girls are being encouraged to marry young and become housewives.
Now that Turkey has gone off the rails from its journey towards modernity, where does that leave us?
The Islamists in Turkey are at the zenith of their power. They can be a difficult partner and even threaten to become an enemy to the West. Indeed, hostility towards the West is part of the conspiracy discourse that is widespread all over the Middle East.
Nonetheless there are significant numbers of people in Turkey who are resisting, and who struggle for the survival of civility and modern life. And the outcome of our struggle for survival will have much broader global repercussions than Western policy makers would like to think. Can you imagine a Turkey without its secularists? It would lead to a Europe that is confined to its continent, and it would turn it into a prison for us.
"No one can leave this woeful story with their head held high" said Dani Rodrik, an academic at the Institute of Advanced Study in Princeton. Not the so-called secular-military elite that governed the country harshly for years, that scorned and yet used the Islamists and thus almost single-handedly guaranteed their reactionary attitudes; not Turkey's Western friends who pretended not to see the colossal infringements of social liberty; and certainly not the pseudo-intellectuals with their egregious interpretations of the events that legitimised the butchering of secular law in the hope that political Islam will produce democracy.
Those who ten years ago expected an Islamic reform from Turkey that would serve as a model for the world are, at this point, striving to prevent Turkey from turning into a hostile country model.
To conclude with a sentence from Turkey's political Islamists: "Those who expect Islam to reform want us to give up our religion. We will not rise to the bait of the infidel." If this is a clear statement of intent, so too is the resolve of those of us who intend to resist and struggle in defence of our freedoms and our Human Rights.
This article is based on a presentation given by the author at theSecularism 2014 Conference held on 11-12 October, 2014 in London. It was originally published on Open Democracy and is reproduced here under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3. 0 licence.
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I don't know what you're talking about. Do you?
SmilinJack
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The intent is to prevent jihadists from coming here..........the fact they are muslim is irrelevant to that extent....at least to some.
Yes, you are correct muslim jihadists are a threat....however....as made painfully obvious by the San Bernadino attack....we cannot keep a eye on all of them....even if we had the capability which we do not.........some of them as in the ones involved in the attack in San Bernadino are under the radar...aka underground...we do not know who they are or where they are or when they may attack. Also as exhibited by the San Bernadino Jihadists...........they get support from others....who may or may not know what they are up to.
Bottom Line: It is impossible to tell a good muslim from a bad muslim until the muslim exhibits some sort of behavor or action to indicate they have been radicalized.
Obviously by the time it us understood any particular muslim may have been radicalized it may be too late to stop whatever it is they intend to do.
Now, currently the FBI does monitor huge numbers of quote 'suspicious muslims' meaning ---muslims who have shown some indication of radicalization. The monitoring of these susicious muslims is a huge drain on the FBI's resources....in truth they are overwhelmed...unable to really monitor all those who need to be monitored to the degree they need to be monitored to prevent them from committing some act of violence or to prevent them from helping someone else to comitt jihadist violence.
Yet...despite this....the libtards want to bring more of them into America....forcing even more work on the already over-worked FBI ....simplyl stupid to do this.
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I can only think KKKhristiefan has a suicide wish
Darth Omar
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Brainwashed clowns should read books or shut up.
SmilinJack
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How many years has it been since you read a book?
christiefan915
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You think that's going on in Dearborn?
"More than 30 percent of Dearborn’s roughly 95,000 residents are Arab-American or of Arab descent (PDF)...
Dearborn’s Arab community has been growing for roughly a century, said Ronald Stockton, a University of Michigan-Dearborn political science professor, accelerating with the growth of the auto industry....
To outsiders, the most remarkable thing about Dearborn may be its unremarkability. The city’s median annual income is about $45,000, slightly less than the state median of $48,000. In 2013, there were 347 violent crimes in Dearborn, according to FBI statistics, along 3,104 property crimes, 126 robberies, and two homicides—numbers not out of whack with the Michigan’s other mid-sized cities. The same year, Lansing—the state capital—home to roughly 20,000 more residents, had 1,204 violent crimes, 3,960 property crimes, 256 robberies and eight murders...
Folks invested in harmful myths about Dearborn, Stockton says, have “a social and ideological location within the population. They’re almost all on the right, they’re almost all Republicans, and they’re almost all over a certain age.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/02/dearborn-mi-where-muslims-are-americans.html
christiefan915
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That's not what I said at all. You're dishonest.
christiefan915
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It's impossible to tell a good Catholic, Protestant, Jew, Hispanic, African-American, WASP etc. from a bad one until they exhibit some sort of action to show they've been criminalized.
christiefan915
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When I get killed by a Muslim terrorist, I'll be sure to post my date of death here.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Arabs aren't necessarily Muslim.
I don't see where that engages my point: the radical Muslims follow an ideological script; and according to the script all of the Arabs and Muslim Arabs in Dearborn would be forced to convert or die. But under the Obama administration the FBI, DHS and other groups aren't permitted to study Islam as it relates to Islamic terrorism.
The effect has been to reduce Islamic terrorism to a nameless abstraction. Now we are countering "violent extremism" because we fear offending Muslims. This is lunacy.
One thing we could do to reduce the threat of violent jihad would be to actually recognize its existence. That would be one thing that would change under any Republican administration in 2016.
Under Hillary it will be a continuation of politically correct lunacy.
christiefan915
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Sure they have rights. They can't vote, hold public office or pay federal taxes but most of the constitutional rights apply.
christiefan915
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According to this article most of the Arab-Americans in Dearborn are Muslim.
"Today, Dearborn is a unique Arab-American community--both nationally and among the smaller Arab communities scattered around Metro Detroit. The Dearborn community is overwhelmingly Muslim, and majority Shiite Muslim. Shiites are a minority in the Muslim world. It’s also mostly Lebanese, with smaller pockets of Iraqis, Yemenis, and Palestinians."
If they're already Muslims no conversion is necessary. And if the agenda is "convert or die", well, don't see much news about these deaths of non-Muslims.
Based on what? The Constitution says "We The People of the United States." Where does it say non-citizens have Constitutional rights? And how did you decide they have not those two particular ones but they have the others? Based on what? I believe two things:
1) Anyone in the US should have Constitutional rights assumed until it's determined they are not US citizens
2) We should give foreigners legally here most rights, such as protection from illegal search and seizure, that sort of thing. But granting a right legislatively does not make it a Constitutional right.
I say that so you don't go down the strawman path that I want them to not have rights. I am specifically challenging that the Constitution grants them rights of citizens
Wow, zing. So you don't know what you were talking about, or at least you can't say
I don't know if I can wrap my head around using the words "Trump" and "serious" in the same sentence, but no, most other Republicans aren't serious about illegal immigration either. But they don't fight to maintain the flow like the left either