What has Bush killed.
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gonzojournals
Better than You
You obviously don't understand people well--- people do not go to private school because other children are "beneath" them, you class-envious retard. They go to private schools because the educational quality in this country sucks ass.
cawacko
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You don't understand economics. If you are rich you are already living in an exclusive area with a public school that caters to your area only.
cawacko
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What about the poor kids Desh? What options do they have now?
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Neoconservatives.
Both democrats and republicans recognize what they've done to America.
evince
Truthmatters
http://www.indypendent.org/2007/05/...rate-dollars-seek-to-redefine-public-schools/
This is the world of education the people who are pressing voucher want our childern in.
We need to consider education a priority and pony up the money it takes to educate all our kids. Our economy needs this as much as our kids need it.
This is the world of education the people who are pressing voucher want our childern in.
We need to consider education a priority and pony up the money it takes to educate all our kids. Our economy needs this as much as our kids need it.
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Yup.
cawacko
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Nice site. Go ahead and continue to advocate what you have for the past 30 years, "we need more money". How's that working out Desh? The status-quo is what you want and the status quo is what we get.
evince
Truthmatters
What part of this do you not undestand?
We have more kids who need education that costs more to provide.
When your home insurance goes up do you refuse to pay it?
No you act like an adult and shop for the best deal that covers you as fully as you need.
This is what we need to do with education. Act like an adult and help the rest of us who truely care about this issue shop and pay the bill.
You can pretend all day long that there is a way to do it with yesterdays costs or grow up and face the facts.
The people who are proposing to let the free market into the education system just want it weakened to provide cheap workers with little hope of a better life.
cawacko
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Our current system provides plenty of people unable to compete in a globalized economy. And we have illegal immigrants to provide cheap labor. What our economy needs is more specialized and highly skilled type workers. The ones we try to import from India and places overseas with the HB-1 visas (i believe that's what they're called). That's what we're not producing.
We don't need a more dumbed down workforce. We need a better one hence the need for change in our monopoly education system.
evince
Truthmatters
http://www.asce.org/reportcard/2005/page.cfm?id=108
The Federal government has not assessed the condition of America's schools since 1999, when it estimated that $127 billion was needed to bring facilities to good condition. Other sources have since reported a need as high as $268 billion. Despite public support of bond initiatives to provide funding for school facilities, without a clear understanding of the need, it is uncertain whether schools can meet increasing enrollment demands and the smaller class sizes mandated by the No Child Left Behind Act.
The Federal government has not assessed the condition of America's schools since 1999, when it estimated that $127 billion was needed to bring facilities to good condition. Other sources have since reported a need as high as $268 billion. Despite public support of bond initiatives to provide funding for school facilities, without a clear understanding of the need, it is uncertain whether schools can meet increasing enrollment demands and the smaller class sizes mandated by the No Child Left Behind Act.
evince
Truthmatters
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/fyi/teachers.ednews/05/01/california.schools.disrepair.reut/index.html
Read this and then realize its not just California
Read this and then realize its not just California
cawacko
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The exact reason why people are pushing for change and vouchers are but one part of that.
One of the better ones.
cawacko
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Actually I pay plenty in taxes Desh but thank you for your concern.
A lot of the waste is in beauracratic levels as the money earmarked for the classroom never gets there.
Stories of waste abound. I'll tell you a good one later about how San Francisco passed $100 million bond and then four years could barely account for any of the money and had almost no results to show for the money and used it as justification for putting another $100 million bond back on the ballot.
Socrtease
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Apples and Oranges my friend. The state gets to decide what they will spend their tax money. One of the things that all the states have decided that public education is in the public interest. So they take a percentage of everyones taxes to pay for THE STATES education system. The state is not obligated to create a big welfare system so you can send your kids to private school. Funny how conservatives despise handout still you get to this issue.
cawacko
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It's not about creating a welfare system. States and cities spend X amount of dollars per student. The arguments are about how that money should be spent.
The argument against vouchers seems to be the rich want to send their kids to private school which avoids the impetus behind vouchers in the first place; helping poor children stuck in failing public schools.
gonzojournals
Better than You
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The Almighty
How is it a welfare system?
State has "x" dollars per child for education.
Parent says my kid is going to school "y".
State sends school "y" the money. Whether it is a public school or a private school that the parent chooses.
Please explain how this is welfare? It is money that is paying for the kids education one way or another. Changing the school the money goes to does not magically turn it to some sort of welfare system.