Who is willing to go on record saying they believe the President can defy legal court orders?

Damocles said:
Well, the ruling you are asking about... It seems you are lost as to current events. Which ruling is the president supposedly currently "ignoring"? It would be the one on the Alien Enemies Act...
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He is ignoring a ruling that the deportation not happen until the facts and law can be determined.

No laws are non-judicable.

Are you suggesting the president has the authority to "deport" anyone at all, as long as he does it before a judge can review it?
 
martin said:
FDR and Biden were blocked by the courts.
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Which they ignored. Both also ignored the Constitution of the United States.
martin said:
Tell us about Jackson's defiance.
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Stealing land and killing their owners. Slave abuse. Try reading up on the Trail of Tears.
martin said:
p.s. Are you familiar with the American constitutional system?
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Yes. DON'T TRY TO HIDE BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION YOU DESPISE, MARTY!
 
DESIGNATING CARTELS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND SPECIALLY DESIGNATED GLOBAL TERRORISTS

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq., the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA),50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq. it is hereby ordered:

Section 1. Purpose. This order creates a process by which certain international cartels (the Cartels) and other organizations will be designated as Foreign Terrorist Organizations, consistent with section 219 of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1189), or Specially Designated Global Terrorists, consistent with IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702) and Executive Order 13224 of September 23, 2001 (Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions With Persons Who Commit, Threaten to Commit, or Support Terrorism), as amended.
 
Walt said:
Well that is nice. A future Democratic President can then remove you for being declared an "enemy."
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If you are also an Alien... Conversational English often excludes precision... Folks here should read their posts before sending or pedantic users will always pretend they can't understand things.
 
Damocles said:
If you are also an Alien... Conversational English often excludes precision... Folks here should read their posts before sending or pedantic users will always pretend they can't understand things.
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No, if he claims you are an alien and gets it done before a judge can hold an hearing.
 
Earl said:
DESIGNATING CARTELS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND SPECIALLY DESIGNATED GLOBAL TERRORISTS

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq., the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA),50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq. it is hereby ordered:

Section 1. Purpose. This order creates a process by which certain international cartels (the Cartels) and other organizations will be designated as Foreign Terrorist Organizations, consistent with section 219 of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1189), or Specially Designated Global Terrorists, consistent with IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702) and Executive Order 13224 of September 23, 2001 (Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions With Persons Who Commit, Threaten to Commit, or Support Terrorism), as amended.
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So, as long as a president claims you are a member of one of these groups, he can deport you, no questions asked?
 
Jarod said:
He is ignoring a ruling that the deportation not happen until the facts and law can be determined.

No laws are non-judicable.
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justiciable... It really is as if you don't have an education in law on this. Some portions of the Alien Enemies Act give some decisions to the Executive as parts of his constitutional powers, those portions are not justiciable. The question they present here is whether the President can declare a terrorist organization to be threatening "incursion of predatory acts" and whether he can declare an entity like a gang to be a terrorist organization.

I believe that we will have a ruling from the SCOTUS on this, even if the judge is angry that the President will not follow his orders. Once that happens the President has already stated he will comply with that ruling.
 
Damocles said:
justiciable... It really is as if you don't have an education in law on this. Some portions of the Alien Enemies Act give some decisions to the Executive as parts of his constitutional powers, those portions are not justiciable. The question they present here is whether the President can declare a terrorist organization to be threatening "incursion of predatory acts" and whether he can declare an entity like a gang to be a terrorist organization.

I believe that we will have a ruling from the SCOTUS on this, even if the judge is angry that the President will not follow his orders. Once that happens the President has already stated he will comply with that ruling.
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So as long as the President, in his head says you fall under this act, nothing can be done about you being deported without a hearing?

Constitutional Due Process protections do not apply?
 
Jarod said:
So, as long as a president claims you are a member of one of these groups, he can deport you, no questions asked?
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I think SCOTUS will ask for them to prove things like "Are they actually a member of Tren de Aragua? and Are they an Alien?" but will also rule that if they are and can be shown to be these things, they can be deported without regard to evidence of criminality.
 
martin said:
One "thesis of the thread" is that judges interpret and enforce the law through court orders. That "the branches are coequal" doesn't mean the Executive Branch determines what the law is equally with the Judicial Branch, which was the implication of your comment.
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Won't work, Marty. No court has authority over Trump's authority of the executive branch.
No court has the authority to change any constitution.
 
Damocles said:
I think SCOTUS will ask for them to prove things like "Are they actually a member of Tren de Aragua? and Are they an Alien?" but will also rule that if they are and can be shown to be these things, they can be deported without regard to evidence of criminality.
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The case on point was simply a judge demanding time to sort this out.

The Felon is claiming he had this right as long as he could get it done before these issues could be looked into.
 
Damocles said:
I think SCOTUS will ask for them to prove things like "Are they actually a member of Tren de Aragua? and Are they an Alien?" but will also rule that if they are and can be shown to be these things, they can be deported without regard to evidence of criminality.
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So these issues can be reviewed by a Court?
 
Jarod said:
But.. but... they did it.


Maybe, if so it was wrong.

They did not do it like The Felon is doing it.

Do two wrongs make a right?
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It wasn't right when they did it, it isn't now. The problem today is the courts are, more and more, injecting themselves into politics and becoming both legislators and executives. They are usurping the power of the Congress and President and at least Presidents are fighting back.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It wasn't right when they did it, it isn't now. The problem today is the courts are, more and more, injecting themselves into politics and becoming both legislators and executives. They are usurping the power of the Congress and President.
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Do you have an example?
 
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