Why is educating about Tubman bad?

Uncensored2008 said:
You specifically said "There were a significant number of white southerners who remained loyal to the United States,"

That is a fabrication on your part.

There were a few military professionals who remained loyal to the United States.
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Your complaint to me was about David Farragut. You can't go back and attempt to change which post you were talking about.

You also can't become knowledgeable about a topic by just frantically Googling for ten seconds. You have to put the work in to learn about a topic.

David Farragut was born in Tennessee, he lived in Virginia before the civil war, and as a professional United States naval officer he was required to serve and live wherever the Navy required.


I never said most, or huge numbers, or a large amount of Southerners stayed loyal to the United States. You need to respond to what I write, not to what you wish I wrote.
 
Cypress said:
I never said most, or huge numbers, or a large amount of Southerners stayed loyal to the United States. You need to respond to what I write, not to what you wish I wrote.
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Let's be real clear...

The South was run by a small group of Oligarchs - George Soros, Tim Cook types of their day. Like the democrat Oligarchs of today, the government served the will of the Oligarchs then. Now you are poorly educated and have zero knowledge of history. You spew the Stalinist democrat fable that "all whites are oppressors and had slaves." It's bullshit of course, less than 5% of white people owned slaves in the Antebellum South. Slaves were concentrated on large plantations owned by the Oligarchs. Did I mention that the plantations (no word if they were named "Facebook" or "Apple") owned the governments of the states they were in? Just like the democrats today...

Now one of the lies Stalinists LOVE to tell is that the Oligarchs were advocates of "states rights." But then there is the whole "fugitive slave act" thing. Compelling free states to act as agents of slave states against their will is hardly promoting sovereign states.

Another lie Stalinists tell is that the Antebellum democrats "supported property rights." Another lie of course. Consider the "small holder act" in Georgia, that allowed plantations to seize by force any farm under 100 acres. Property theft by democrat oligarchs is the opposite "property rights."

So what have we learned? Well you haven't learned anything.

But lurkers have learned that democrats in the old south were big government thugs who imposed their will on other states and who had contempt for private property and property rights - just like democrats today.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
You posted your falsehood regarding Farragut (which you misspelled) after I called you out on your fabrication.

Farragut was a New Yorker at the time of the Civil War - you didn't even get that right.
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:lolup: A spelling Nazi, who only knows I misspelled because he has been frantically googling behind the scenes!

The fact I misspelled clearly means I don't need Google as a crutch, like you do.


You can search until the cows come home, but you won't find any posts from me saying native southern officers in the United States military are required to live in the South their whole lives. And you won't find any posts from me saying that most or huge numbers of white southerners stayed loyal to the United States.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Let's be real clear...

The South was run by a small group of Oligarchs - George Soros, Tim Cook types of their day. Like the democrat Oligarchs of today, the government served the will of the Oligarchs then. Now you are poorly educated and have zero knowledge of history. You spew the Stalinist democrat fable that "all whites are oppressors and had slaves." It's bullshit of course, less than 5% of white people owned slaves in the Antebellum South. Slaves were concentrated on large plantations owned by the Oligarchs. Did I mention that the plantations (no word if they were named "Facebook" or "Apple") owned the governments of the states they were in? Just like the democrats today...

Now one of the lies Stalinists LOVE to tell is that the Oligarchs were advocates of "states rights." But then there is the whole "fugitive slave act" thing. Compelling free states to act as agents of slave states against their will is hardly promoting sovereign states.

Another lie Stalinists tell is that the Antebellum democrats "supported property rights." Another lie of course. Consider the "small holder act" in Georgia, that allowed plantations to seize by force any farm under 100 acres. Property theft by democrat oligarchs is the opposite "property rights."

So what have we learned? Well you haven't learned anything.

But lurkers have learned that democrats in the old south were big government thugs who imposed their will on other states and who had contempt for private property and property rights - just like democrats today.
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^^^ Frantic Googler who needs Google to compose his ideas and thoughts.
 
Jarod said:
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It isn't, this is just another leftist attempting malignant compliance, where they do something absurd like this without orders or approval and tell the "right" leftist groups so they can get really super upset, while at the same time everything they did was being reversed as it was done without orders.


from the story:

“Changes to the Underground Railroad page on the National Park Service’s website were made without approval from NPS leadership nor Department leadership,” NPS spokeswoman Rachel Pawlitz said late Monday in an email. “The webpage was immediately restored to its original content.”

There is more at the link, but the important information is available there.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
How did Google compose anything, Comrade?

ROFL

You told a silly lie, you got busted. I'd say the easy thing to do is not lie, but you're a democrat...
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^^^ A frantic Googler, a spelling Nazi, and an obsessive-compulsive who plays word games.

If I thought 30 or 40 percent of southerner citizens stayed loyal to the Union, I would have used the word 'many', or' 'large numbers'.

To me the word 'significant' means anywhere in the range from about five to twenty percent. I intentionally steered clear of words like many or most.

You can frantically consult Google and continue to steam in anger about whether I used exactly the right adjective that passes muster with your Neoconfederate ideology. Your word games are of no consequence to me.
 
Damocles said:
It isn't, this is just another leftist attempting malignant compliance, where they do something absurd like this without orders or approval and tell the "right" leftist groups so they can get really super upset, while at the same time everything they did was being reversed as it was done without orders.


from the story:

“Changes to the Underground Railroad page on the National Park Service’s website were made without approval from NPS leadership nor Department leadership,” NPS spokeswoman Rachel Pawlitz said late Monday in an email. “The webpage was immediately restored to its original content.”

There is more at the link, but the important information is available there.
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IMO, the question remains "Why was it removed in the first place?" Why was a picture of the Enola Gay removed? Was Ensign George Gay also removed?

It speaks to the broad brushing, haphazard manner in which Elon's chainsaw is attacking our history.
 
Damocles said:
It isn't, this is just another leftist attempting malignant compliance, where they do something absurd like this without orders or approval and tell the "right" leftist groups so they can get really super upset, while at the same time everything they did was being reversed as it was done without orders.


from the story:

“Changes to the Underground Railroad page on the National Park Service’s website were made without approval from NPS leadership nor Department leadership,” NPS spokeswoman Rachel Pawlitz said late Monday in an email. “The webpage was immediately restored to its original content.”

There is more at the link, but the important information is available there.
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The felon scares people into what you call "compliance".
 
Dutch Uncle said:
IMO, the question remains "Why was it removed in the first place?" Why was a picture of the Enola Gay removed? Was Ensign George Gay also removed?

It speaks to the broad brushing, haphazard manner in which Elon's chainsaw is attacking our history.
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I think it was removed by a leftist who was practicing what is called malignant or malicious compliance. It was described in my post you quoted who does these things and how they do them. It's a form of passive-aggressive resistance to changes that they do not like.

So, If I were to be working in the office and they decided they wanted to DEI everything and I started changing "she/her" in every article to "they/them" when speaking of Tubman and any mention of slavery changed to "servitude" to 'not hurt anyone's feelings' without a directive or a request to do so, then I contacted News Nation to publish a story how the website had changed to reflect the "feels" of the left and to remove reference to Harriet's she/her pronouns and they published it, with that slant...

Some "random" guy might come on here and ask "why was it changed?" at the same time the department heads reverse uno what I did and tell the press they didn't order it...

It wouldn't matter to morons who read headlines and never pay any attention, they would know "those crazy libs" changed Harriet Tubman to a "they/them" pronouns and wouldn't say "slavery" and that it only changed back after "public outcry"...
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. Why do you think there aren't?
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IMO, white people born in the South in the 20th century were brought up on the Lost Cause mythology. They were raised to believe southerners were uniformly united in hating the Yankees and Lincoln's evil war of northern aggression.

You couldn't be pro-Union because you would have to trade in your reputation as an honorable white southern man.

The fact is, during the time of the civil war large parts of the white South were riddled with pro-Union sentiment.

That shows that during the civil war, and before the Lost Cause took mythology hold, one could be a white southerner and also be pro-American/pro-Union rather than be pro-Confederacy. It was a viable choice

Cypress said:
About 100,000 pro-Union southerners served in the Union Army, and many parts of the white South were riddled with pro-union sentiment.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Southern Unionist - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
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Cypress said:
IMO, white people born in the South in the 20th century were brought up on the Lost Cause mythology. They were raised to believe southerners were uniformly united in hating the Yankees and Lincoln's evil war of northern aggression.

You couldn't be pro-Union because you would have to trade in your reputation as an honorable white southern man.

The fact is, during the time of the civil war large parts of the white South were riddled with pro-Union sentiment.

That shows that during the civil war, and before the Lost Cause took mythology hold, one could be a white southerner and also be pro-American/pro-Union rather than be pro-Confederacy. It was a viable choice
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...and Yankees were raised to believe Lincoln attacked the South to free the slaves. This is why I believe history should be taught in context, not wrapped in ideology.
 
Damocles said:
I think it was removed by a leftist who was practicing what is called malignant or malicious compliance. It was described in my post you quoted who does these things and how they do them. It's a form of passive-aggressive resistance to changes that they do not like.

So, If I were to be working in the office and they decided they wanted to DEI everything and I started changing "she/her" in every article to "they/them" when speaking of Tubman and any mention of slavery changed to "servitude" to 'not hurt anyone's feelings' without a directive or a request to do so, then I contacted News Nation to publish a story how the website had changed to reflect the "feels" of the left and to remove reference to Harriet's she/her pronouns and they published it, with that slant...

Some "random" guy might come on here and ask "why was it changed?" at the same time the department heads reverse uno what I did and tell the press they didn't order it...

It wouldn't matter to morons who read headlines and never pay any attention, they would know "those crazy libs" changed Harriet Tubman to a "they/them" pronouns and wouldn't say "slavery" and that it only changed back after "public outcry"...
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Ah, so it's never Trump's fault or Elon's. It's always the Leftist scum. Got it. :)

I'm more of an Occam's Razor fan. The order came down to remove all references to DEI: gays, blacks, Hispanics, women, etc. That's exactly what happened.

Conversely, consider the evacuation of Kabul debacle. Like DEI, the order to "Get out and get out NOW!" was given from the WH and that's what happened. It happened so fast even our allies were caught flatfooted. It wasn't a "Rightest" or RW military leader who wanted Biden to look bad. It was simply people following orders from on high.
 
Cypress said:
^^^ A frantic Googler, a spelling Nazi, and an obsessive-compulsive who plays word games.
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What was I googling, Comrade?

Cypress said:
If I thought 30 or 40 percent of southerner citizens stayed loyal to the Union, I would have used the word 'many', or' 'large numbers'.
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Or "a significant number."

Cypress said:
To me the word 'significant' means anywhere in the range from about five to twenty percent. I intentionally steered clear of words like many or most.
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ROFL

If 1% of the South supported the North, I'd be surprised. Sure the hell 5% did not.

And of course you are full of shit - per ChatGPT:

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Cypress said:
You can frantically consult Google and continue to steam in anger about whether I used exactly the right adjective that passes muster with your Neoconfederate ideology. Your word games are of no consequence to me.
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You can stop trying to bullshit. That's what got you into this in the first place.

Stop digging.
 
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