Why the minimum wage does not reduce jobs.

so you're trying to justify the losing of 500K jobs by saying not all jobs are good jobs and making an assumption with nothing to back it up that the jobs that will be lost will be ones held by people with multiple jobs.

when you have to work three shit jobs just to survive you don't cry when it turns into being able to work ONE job to survive.



how many hours do you want people who are trying to raise children to have to work asshole?



now realize the CBO did not calculate in the reduction in crime involved with more intact an engauged parents.



go ahead and lie some more asshole
 
when you have to work three shit jobs just to survive you don't cry when it turns into being able to work ONE job to survive.



how many hours do you want people who are trying to raise children to have to work asshole?



now realize the CBO did not calculate in the reduction in crime involved with more intact an engauged parents.



go ahead and lie some more asshole

the CBO reports 500K jobs will be lost if the minimum wage increases to $10.10 and that makes me a liar? Sure thing Desh.

You have shown zero evidence showing how many people work multiple jobs and how many of them will lose jobs as a result of the increase. You haven't backed up your supposition with any data.

Nor have you shown anything to suggest the loss of these jobs will reduce crime.
 
you provided no proof of anything you fucking shit breath


OI am the one who gave FACTS

You gave a one line talking point


rea the whole study you fucking tard
 
you provided no proof of anything you fucking shit breath


OI am the one who gave FACTS

You gave a one line talking point


rea the whole study you fucking tard

I provided proof that the OP was lying when they said raising the minimum wage doesn't cost jobs. It does. Raising the minimum wage benefits some and hurts others as the study show.

From the study:

"In addition, real family income for many people
tends to fall a bit, because the increase in prices of goods
and services reduces families’ purchasing power."

"In the long term, that reduction in the workforce
lowers the nation’s output and income a little,
which means that the income losses of some people are
slightly larger than the income gains of others."
 
I provided proof that the OP was lying when they said raising the minimum wage doesn't cost jobs. It does. Raising the minimum wage benefits some and hurts others as the study show.

From the study:

"In addition, real family income for many people
tends to fall a bit, because the increase in prices of goods
and services reduces families’ purchasing power."

"In the long term, that reduction in the workforce
lowers the nation’s output and income a little,
which means that the income losses of some people are
slightly larger than the income gains of others."

no you didn't you fucking liar.


you made a claim and gave no proof.


I went and got the proof of what the CBO study said.

you pulled one fucking line from it and refused to even cite it.



Your 500,000 job line was not infact the only thing the CBO said huh asshole.



you only want t cherry pick FACTS not deal in them honestly
 
no you didn't you fucking liar.


you made a claim and gave no proof.


I went and got the proof of what the CBO study said.

you pulled one fucking line from it and refused to even cite it.



Your 500,000 job line was not infact the only thing the CBO said huh asshole.



you only want t cherry pick FACTS not deal in them honestly

So the CBO saying that 500K jobs would be lost, thus refuting the claim of the OP, is me not dealing with it honestly.

Sure thing Desh. I gave you the FACTS. You are free to deny them.
 
So the CBO saying that 500K jobs would be lost, thus refuting the claim of the OP, is me not dealing with it honestly.

Sure thing Desh. I gave you the FACTS. You are free to deny them.

Cawacko, I believe Evince and all of us others are perusing the same CBO report of the same study. The linkage address he provided, http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44995-MinimumWage.pdf is superior to mine. That report states
“For this report, CBO examined the effects on employment and family income of two options for increasing the federal minimum wage (see the figure below):
. A “$10.10 option” would increase the federal minimum wage from its current rate of $7.25 per hour to $10.10 per hour in three steps—in 2014, 2015, and 2016. After reaching $10.10 in 2016, the minimum wage would be adjusted annually for inflation as measured by the consumer price index.
• . A “$9.00 option” would raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 per hour to $9.00 per hour in two steps—in 2015 and 2016. After reaching $9.00 in 2016, the minimum wage would not be subsequently adjusted for inflation. “

I prefer the $2.75 rate increase over a period of 2 years with purchasing power retention thereafter as superior to a lesser increase with no purchasing power retention. My references to the report are all in regard to the option that I prefer. Within a prior post I quoted from a paragraph entitled “Effects of the $10.10 Option on Employment and Income”.

Apparently Evince quoted from the portion of the report entitled “Family Income” but it’s difficult to determine if he didn’t also include other portions of the report. What he posted treats the two different proposals as being consequentially equal. The differences between the proposals are not simply their rates two years after their enactment; one proposal retains the minimum purchasing power and the second would not do so.

Almost all of the lines he posted are less applicable or not applicable or contrary to the higher minimum rate proposal that also retains the minimum wage’s purchasing power.

I excerpted this from the “Effects of the Options on Employment” portion of the report:

“Those job losses among low-wage workers would be concentrated among people who are projected to earn less than $10.10 an hour under current law. Some workers who would otherwise have earned between $10.10 and $11.50 per hour would also see an increase in their wages, which would tend to reduce their employment as well, CBO estimates. However, some firms might hire more of those workers as substitutes for the lower-paid workers whose wages had been increased.

Those two factors would probably be roughly offsetting, CBO anticipates, so the number of such workers who were employed would probably not change significantly.

The overall reduction in employment could be smaller or larger than CBO’s central estimate. In CBO’s assessment, there is about a two-thirds chance that the effect of the $10.10 option would be in the range between a very slight decrease in employment and a decrease of 1.0 million workers; thus, there is a one-third chance that the effect would be either above or below that range.

The most important factors contributing to the width of the range are uncertainty about the growth of wages over the next three years (which influences the number of workers who would be affected by the minimum-wage increase, as well as the extent to which the increase would raise their wages) and uncertainty about the responsiveness of employment to an increase in wages. For example, if wage growth under current law was slower than CBO projects, implementing the increase would result in more people with increased wages and a greater reduction in employment than CBO’s central estimate suggests”.

Respectfully, Supposn
 
Cawacko, I believe Evince and all of us others are perusing the same CBO report of the same study. The linkage address he provided, http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44995-MinimumWage.pdf is superior to mine. That report states
“For this report, CBO examined the effects on employment and family income of two options for increasing the federal minimum wage (see the figure below):
. A “$10.10 option” would increase the federal minimum wage from its current rate of $7.25 per hour to $10.10 per hour in three steps—in 2014, 2015, and 2016. After reaching $10.10 in 2016, the minimum wage would be adjusted annually for inflation as measured by the consumer price index.
• . A “$9.00 option” would raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 per hour to $9.00 per hour in two steps—in 2015 and 2016. After reaching $9.00 in 2016, the minimum wage would not be subsequently adjusted for inflation. “

I prefer the $2.75 rate increase over a period of 2 years with purchasing power retention thereafter as superior to a lesser increase with no purchasing power retention. My references to the report are all in regard to the option that I prefer. Within a prior post I quoted from a paragraph entitled “Effects of the $10.10 Option on Employment and Income”.

Apparently Evince quoted from the portion of the report entitled “Family Income” but it’s difficult to determine if he didn’t also include other portions of the report. What he posted treats the two different proposals as being consequentially equal. The differences between the proposals are not simply their rates two years after their enactment; one proposal retains the minimum purchasing power and the second would not do so.

Almost all of the lines he posted are less applicable or not applicable or contrary to the higher minimum rate proposal that also retains the minimum wage’s purchasing power.

I excerpted this from the “Effects of the Options on Employment” portion of the report:

“Those job losses among low-wage workers would be concentrated among people who are projected to earn less than $10.10 an hour under current law. Some workers who would otherwise have earned between $10.10 and $11.50 per hour would also see an increase in their wages, which would tend to reduce their employment as well, CBO estimates. However, some firms might hire more of those workers as substitutes for the lower-paid workers whose wages had been increased.

Those two factors would probably be roughly offsetting, CBO anticipates, so the number of such workers who were employed would probably not change significantly.

The overall reduction in employment could be smaller or larger than CBO’s central estimate. In CBO’s assessment, there is about a two-thirds chance that the effect of the $10.10 option would be in the range between a very slight decrease in employment and a decrease of 1.0 million workers; thus, there is a one-third chance that the effect would be either above or below that range.

The most important factors contributing to the width of the range are uncertainty about the growth of wages over the next three years (which influences the number of workers who would be affected by the minimum-wage increase, as well as the extent to which the increase would raise their wages) and uncertainty about the responsiveness of employment to an increase in wages. For example, if wage growth under current law was slower than CBO projects, implementing the increase would result in more people with increased wages and a greater reduction in employment than CBO’s central estimate suggests”.

Respectfully, Supposn

There's no constitutional authority for the federal government to establish a minimum wage. If the Commerce clause authorizes a federal minimum wage, it can also authorize a maximum wage and it has. A central government establishing minimum and maximum wages also would have the power by reason of the Commerce clause to establish federal price controls on every product and service provided in the United States. That's socialism.

Americas founders intended that our central government be restricted in size and scope and that's why they gave us the Bill Of Rights.

"The powers NOT DELEGATED TO THE UNITED STATES BY THE CONSTITUTION nor prohibited by it to the States, ARE RESERVED TO THE STATES RESPECTIVELY, or to the people." (Amendment 10, United States Bill Of Rights)
 
Wendy's To Switch To Self Ordering And Automation To Avoid $15 ...
http://govtslaves.info/wendys-to-switch-to-self-ordering-and-automation-to-avoid-15hr-wage-hike/
(Jonathan Maze) Wages are rising in the restaurant industry. There are two reasons for this. Minimum wages are increasing in many states. And it's tougher for ...

Wendy's Explains What Really Happens With A Minimum Wage ...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...-happens-with-a-minimum-wage-rise-job-losses/
Aug 11, 2015 ... Wendy's Explains What Really Happens With A Minimum Wage Rise: Job ... So, their first change is going to be looking at greater automation.

Wendy's Explains What Happens When Fry Cooks Make $15/Hour ...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-11/wendys-explains-what-happens-when-fry-cooks-make-15hour
Aug 11, 2015 ... Wendy's Explains What Happens When Fry Cooks Make $15/Hour ... whether that's customer self-order kiosks, whether that's automating more ...

An increase in the federal minimum wage killed jobs during the Great Recession, according to a new study from the National Bureau of Economic Research.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-evidence-that-the-minimum-wage-kills-jobs/article/2557106
 
Wow lets kick the poor whilst they are down
I bet you believe in god

You bet! I "DO"

Actually, unlike you I'm interested in advocating to SAVE the entry level jobs for the poor and youth of America, while you are only interested in the leftist scam to buy their votes and keep them enslaved to BIG government.
 
You bet! I "DO"

Actually, unlike you I'm interested in advocating to SAVE the entry level jobs for the poor and youth of America, while you are only interested in the leftist scam to buy their votes and keep them enslaved to BIG government.

buying votes?


you hate our democracy huh
 
Wendy's To Switch To Self Ordering And Automation To Avoid $15 ...
http://govtslaves.info/wendys-to-switch-to-self-ordering-and-automation-to-avoid-15hr-wage-hike/
(Jonathan Maze) Wages are rising in the restaurant industry. There are two reasons for this. Minimum wages are increasing in many states. And it's tougher for ...

Wendy's Explains What Really Happens With A Minimum Wage ...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...-happens-with-a-minimum-wage-rise-job-losses/
Aug 11, 2015 ... Wendy's Explains What Really Happens With A Minimum Wage Rise: Job ... So, their first change is going to be looking at greater automation.

Wendy's Explains What Happens When Fry Cooks Make $15/Hour ...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-11/wendys-explains-what-happens-when-fry-cooks-make-15hour
Aug 11, 2015 ... Wendy's Explains What Happens When Fry Cooks Make $15/Hour ... whether that's customer self-order kiosks, whether that's automating more ...

An increase in the federal minimum wage killed jobs during the Great Recession, according to a new study from the National Bureau of Economic Research.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-evidence-that-the-minimum-wage-kills-jobs/article/2557106


Robo, I’m pleased that Wendy’s is attempting to increase their automation. Automation has always been a net benefit to USA’s economy. Nation’s where human effort has less value, (i.e. where the purchasing power of the median wage is less), are the poorest of nations.
The purchasing power of the federal minimum wage, (FMW) rate is of some support for ALL other USA wage and salary rates which are indicated by the median wage rate’s purchasing power.

I have read claims that the U.S. Congressional Budget office’s study reported that implied they had a negative opinion regarding increasing the federal minimum wage and there after retaining its purchasing power. I perused their report and learned that was not true.
Nothing regarding the National Bureau of Economic Research, (NBER) is available to me. My experience regarding third party evaluations of the CBO’s conclusions make me hesitant to accept anyone’s evaluation of the NBER’s conclusions.

Respectfully, Supposn
 
On short my small brianed fool .... yes jobs will be ended.

many of them will be the ones people have to work three of to just survive with virtually no time off.


less jobs better income.


the poor will be able to have a fucking life.

I'm sure that makes you sad

how does that work out for those that lose their jobs?
 
Robo, I’m pleased that Wendy’s is attempting to increase their automation. Automation has always been a net benefit to USA’s economy. Nation’s where human effort has less value, (i.e. where the purchasing power of the median wage is less), are the poorest of nations.The purchasing power of the federal minimum wage, (FMW) rate is of some support for ALL other USA wage and salary rates which are indicated by the median wage rate’s purchasing power.

Then according to your formula, all we have to do is raise the minimum wage to $1,000 per-hour and we’ll be the wealthiest nation in the history of earth and every time our wealth slips a little, just pump up the minimum wage another $20.00 an hour or so right? You have the leftist magical formula for endless wealth for our nation, correct?

I have read claims that the U.S. Congressional Budget office’s study reported that implied they had a negative opinion regarding increasing the federal minimum wage and there after retaining its purchasing power. I perused their report and learned that was not true.
Nothing regarding the National Bureau of Economic Research, (NBER) is available to me. My experience regarding third party evaluations of the CBO’s conclusions make me hesitant to accept anyone’s evaluation of the NBER’s conclusions.

Respectfully, Supposn

So, to interpret, you have no evidence that raising the minimum wage has no negative effect on minimum wage jobs, right? You have no actual evidence that raising the minimum wage is actually a positive for the economy except your skepticism about the CBO actually saying raising the minimum wage would cost jobs even though major news organizations actually reported that as fact, right? You’re saying the CBO lied and you know better, right?
 
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