Team Zimmerman, Broke

DamnYankee said:
"A child.". Now who's being absurd.

Zimmerman had every right to keep an eye on a stranger walking around his neighborhood. If I was walking around that way I'd expect someone to ask what I was doing there. Unlike Martin though, I would have had a reasonable conversation; I wouldn't have gone wilding like Martin obviously did.

Martin tried to be a bully, figured he'd beat someone up. He didn't figure that guy was capable of defending himself.
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Martin was 17.

child
/CHīld/
Noun
A young human being below the age of full physical development or below the legal age of majority.

Walking around what way? Was he doing the John Cleese silly walk or something? He was walking. That's all.

If somebody asked me what I was doing in such a situation I would tell them "minding my own business." And then I would ask who want to know. Zimmerman had no business harassing him.

There is no proof that Martin went "wilding." You are imagining things that you don't know and can't know.

Supposedly, Zimmerman was not capable of defending himself. Not with commensurate force, anyway.
 
DamnYankee said:
Yeah he's black, therefore guilty. Just like since I'm a registered Republican I'm obviously racist. That shit gets old man. Grow up.

Martin broke Zimmerman's nose: fact.
Zimmerman felt his life was threatened: fact.
When one feels their life is threatened, he has every right to use deadly force to stop that threat: fact.
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It is not an established fact that Zimmerman had reason to believe his life was threatened.
 
DamnYankee said:
Defend yourself against what? Questions? LOL

If a "not guilty" verdict sets you off wilding, then my gosh what would a question, from a white man, do to you, racist?
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Excuse you? This is not 1855, and just because a white man or a white-looking Hispanic man, has a question to ask me, doesn't mean I have to entertain it. Just
yesterday, a 35-something white man got on the bus and bumped into me, though I was seated, and didn't say excuse me, and looked back at me as to say, "So". Then, thinking he was on a cellphone, speaking loudly, he decides to come back to the front of the bus and sits across the aisle from me and begins "threatening" me, telling me he'll send me to the cemetery and that he needs to find some PCP. I had headphones on, as I had been listening to the radio, but I turned it off to listen to what he was saying. I almost called Metro police, but was keeping a wary eye on him, not knowing if he possessed a weapon, or if he was going to lunge for me. As it stood, we both exited the bus at the same stop, he going one way and I going another.
Since Lincoln freed the slaves, I'm not in the habit of talking to strange, mentally disturbed or drugged out men, white or otherwise. I have plenty of white friends who are intelligent, sane and non-violent to talk to. Thank you very much. And it's a known fact that you are the racist...and a vile one at that.
 
From the National Neighborhood Watch Program.

Patrol members should be trained by law enforcement. It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles. They should also be cautioned to alert police or deputies when encountering strange activity. Members should never confront suspicious persons who could be armed and dangerous. Patrol members can be equipped for their duties. For example, flashlights or search lights are necessary for night patrols. Many mobile patrols use cell phones or two-way radios to contact a citizen-manned base station, which in turn contacts law enforcement officials when necessary. Remember your partnerships and ask for donations from local businesses.

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REMEMBER:
Community members only serve as the extra “eyes and ears” of law enforcement. They should report their observations of suspicious activities to law enforcement; however, citizens should never try to take action on those observations. Trained law enforcement should be the only ones ever to take action based on observations of suspicious activities.


http://www.usaonwatch.org/assets/publications/0_NW_Manual_1210.pdf
 
Professor Baxter said:
From the National Neighborhood Watch Program.

Patrol members should be trained by law enforcement. It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles. They should also be cautioned to alert police or deputies when encountering strange activity. Members should never confront suspicious persons who could be armed and dangerous. Patrol members can be equipped for their duties. For example, flashlights or search lights are necessary for night patrols. Many mobile patrols use cell phones or two-way radios to contact a citizen-manned base station, which in turn contacts law enforcement officials when necessary. Remember your partnerships and ask for donations from local businesses.

....

REMEMBER:
Community members only serve as the extra “eyes and ears” of law enforcement. They should report their observations of suspicious activities to law enforcement; however, citizens should never try to take action on those observations. Trained law enforcement should be the only ones ever to take action based on observations of suspicious activities.


http://www.usaonwatch.org/assets/publications/0_NW_Manual_1210.pdf
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Apparently Zimmerman belonged to the Shiite version.
 
Professor Baxter said:
Martin was 17.

child
/CHīld/
Noun
A young human being below the age of full physical development or below the legal age of majority.

Walking around what way? Was he doing the John Cleese silly walk or something? He was walking. That's all.

If somebody asked me what I was doing in such a situation I would tell them "minding my own business." And then I would ask who want to know. Zimmerman had no business harassing him.

There is no proof that Martin went "wilding." You are imagining things that you don't know and can't know.

Supposedly, Zimmerman was not capable of defending himself. Not with commensurate force, anyway.
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Not a child in the normal sense of the word. A child doesn't attack and break a grown man's nose.
 
Professor Baxter said:
From the National Neighborhood Watch Program.

Patrol members should be trained by law enforcement. It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles. They should also be cautioned to alert police or deputies when encountering strange activity. Members should never confront suspicious persons who could be armed and dangerous. Patrol members can be equipped for their duties. For example, flashlights or search lights are necessary for night patrols. Many mobile patrols use cell phones or two-way radios to contact a citizen-manned base station, which in turn contacts law enforcement officials when necessary. Remember your partnerships and ask for donations from local businesses.

....

REMEMBER:
Community members only serve as the extra “eyes and ears” of law enforcement. They should report their observations of suspicious activities to law enforcement; however, citizens should never try to take action on those observations. Trained law enforcement should be the only ones ever to take action based on observations of suspicious activities.


http://www.usaonwatch.org/assets/publications/0_NW_Manual_1210.pdf
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Non-binding; completely irrelevant.
 
DamnYankee said:
Actually you're the racist here, because you want to go wilding if non-black Zimmerman isn't convicted: fact.
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Darling, you're confused. My wanting justice for an innocent youth, who was gunned down, in cold blood, who just happens to be black, by a vigilante, with a history of domestic violence, and a verifiable "underachiever", who used a racial pejorative, doesn't make me a racist, by any stretch of the imagination. This isn't our first dance. I know you and your proclivities. You, on the otherhand, want a murderer to go free, based on what?
 
imagine their colors flipped.


some black man follows a white 15 year old boy walking home from the corner store.

he follows him with gun in pocket looking to make sure the kid doesnt steal the brickets off his barbaque porch.


as he nears the kid protests being followed by some black man in the dark.

The child tries to protect himself but then the gun fires as he screams for help.


the police arrive and a dead white boy lays in a pool of blood and a black man with scratches on his face says "he attacked me".


would the police arrest the black man?
 
Professor Baxter said:
Martin was 17.

child
/CHīld/
Noun
A young human being below the age of full physical development or below the legal age of majority.

Walking around what way? Was he doing the John Cleese silly walk or something? He was walking. That's all.

If somebody asked me what I was doing in such a situation I would tell them "minding my own business." And then I would ask who want to know. Zimmerman had no business harassing him.

There is no proof that Martin went "wilding." You are imagining things that you don't know and can't know.

Supposedly, Zimmerman was not capable of defending himself. Not with commensurate force, anyway.
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This reminds me of the silliness we have in the US of what I term the "adult-minor complex." Would Martin still have been a child if he had been 18-20? The grammar nazi in me gets confounded everytime I consider that 18 is supposed to be an adult, yet you remain in the minor leagues through age 20, but an 18-20 year old cannot deflower a 17 year old legally, unless he/she is able to obtain a legal marriage contract, but... *Grammar Nazi induced headache*

:bang:
 
evince said:
imagine their colors flipped.


some black man follows a white 15 year old boy walking home from the corner store.

he follows him with gun in pocket looking to make sure the kid doesnt steal the brickets off his barbaque porch.


as he nears the kid protests being followed by some black man in the dark.

The child tries to protect himself but then the gun fires as he screams for help.


the police arrive and a dead white boy lays in a pool of blood and a black man with scratches on his face says "he attacked me".


would the police arrest the black man?
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Kind of assuming that was a rhetorical question... of course they would. And my guess is he might have a few more scratches by the time he got to the police station....

More "stand your ground" cases that seem to be more murder than self-defense...these are in Alabama, but I couldn't post the link because I'm too new. Search on google news for alabama stand your ground laws -

Earlier this month, a 21-year-old African American approached the home of his step-father’s ex-girlfriend in Jefferson County, Alabama, and ended up dead. The woman who lived in the home said she shot him out of fear for her safety, and as a result, no charges will be filed against her under Alabama’s Stand Your Ground law — the same law that gained notoriety after the tragic killing of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin

This is the second case this month in which an individual who fatally shot another will escape any criminal liability under Alabama’s Stand Your Ground law. Another was cleared by a jury after shooting dead a man who hit him with a socket wrench. Even the prosecutor who charged him said, “we felt Scoggins could have just driven away. That he was in no immediate danger.”
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(ps - I'm new here, hope I'm doing this right)
 
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