LOL, no the perjurer's word does not establish it as fact. We don't know that he actually believed that or, if he did, the belief was reasonable.
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LOL, no the perjurer's word does not establish it as fact. We don't know that he actually believed that or, if he did, the belief was reasonable.
It is very relevant. He was supposedly protecting his neighborhood, but he was doing so in a way that created danger for himself and others. Assuming he took the role seriously he should have been aware of that and if he did not then he was just behaving like a dangerous vigilante.
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Darla
You are. Welcome. I am kinda getting excited that it seems like we are getting a mini-influx of non-conservative women here!
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
You've shown racism before, I agree, and are showing it now. Who cares that Martin was black? You do. So much so that you want to riot if a jury decides that Zimmerman is not guilty.
DamnYankee
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No, he was fully grown: fact.
DamnYankee
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He believed it, that's enough for a reasonable juror.
DamnYankee
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No, because it's non-binding. If you approach someone and ask them who/ what/ why and they react with violence, you have every right to defend yourself.
tekkychick
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He says he believed it; we have no insight into his state of mind at the time he was stalking - um, following -and attacking Martin. So we don't know if he believed his life was in danger when he attacked Martin. We do know he now SAYS he believed it; not the same thing as actually believing it. He may have; he may not have; only he knows for sure.
DamnYankee
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You have it exactly backwards, Martin attacked Zimmerman.
tekkychick
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Really? you were there at the time? We know Zimmerman SAYS he was attacked by Martin - after he followed him for blocks. We don't know what happened, since the only testimony we have is from the guy who lived.
I have to admit, if I were followed by a man for several blocks I might be tempted to attack him before he attacked me. On the other hand, given I'm 5'4" and not exactly a black belt and definitely not in fighting shape, he would never feel as though he were in danger of his life....
Let's hear it for non-conservative women!
Steelplate
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I notice you only take Martin's past into account, not Zimmerman's..good job, David Duke.
DamnYankee
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I could ask the same of you.
DamnYankee
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If considered Zimmerman's past, finding it irrelevant, racist.
tekkychick
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well, no, I wasn't there. But I also didn't say I knew something about the incident that I could only know if I was there.
We KNOW Zimmerman attacked Martin - after all, Martin is dead. We don't know who struck the first blow (and in my opinion, it doesn't matter if Martin did). We don't know what Zimmerman thought. We don't know what Martin thought.
If my logic escapes you, that's life.
Bawahahaha, David Duke, perfect
DamnYankee
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Actually that's exactly what you said, and you're repeating it here: "We KNOW Zimmerman attacked Martin..."
Definition of ATTACK [m-w.com]
transitive verb
1: to set upon or work against forcefully
2: to assail with unfriendly or bitter words
3: to begin to affect or to act on injuriously <plants attacked by aphids>
4: to set to work on <attack a problem>
Bold text my emphasis, meaning that "to attack" is to instigate. Zimmerman defended himself against Martin's attack. Successfully.
Of course it matters who stuck the first blow. In fact, that is the essence of any case involving a physical conflict.