Newtown - the case for seeing the photos

Sierra said:
I don't think she's trying to debate with you. Do you actually have some kind of point? Or are you just so pissed off that someone dared to bring up the fact that these little children were shot to pieces because of your psycho laws and the crazy paranoid right-wing, anti-government propaganda that made the shooter's mother a gun hoarding survivalist?
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What law was this? I did not know we had laws the required us to kill children.
 
Sierra said:
I don't think she's trying to debate with you. Do you actually have some kind of point? Or are you just so pissed off that someone dared to bring up the fact that these little children were shot to pieces because of your psycho laws and the crazy paranoid right-wing, anti-government propaganda that made the shooter's mother a gun hoarding survivalist?
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This is a political debate forum. I am here to debate polititics.
Why are you here?
 
tekkychick said:
Thanks, Sierra. I wasn't planning to respond to Rune's latest question anyway since it seemed totally out of context and irrelevant to this thread - and I'd already answered it when Nova re-queried it. But I like your answer.
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All of my questions are eminently relevant to the topic at hand, if for no other reason than that I asked them.

Covering them later in some nebulous possible future threads will hardly be relevant to the conversation at hand.

Interesting, you asked me not to put your friend on ignore, yet you don't want to debate either, just express your opinion as if it were fact.

Are you worth keeping off ignore? Are you here to debate?
 
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Rune said:
All of my questions are eminently relevant to the topic at hand, if for no other reason than that I asked them.

Covering them later in some nebulous possible future threads will hardly be relevant to the conversation at hand.

Interesting, you asked me not to put your friend on ignore, yet you don't want to debate either, just express your opinion as if it were fact.

Are you worth keeping off ignore? Are you here to debate?
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Wrong person bro.
 
tekkychick said:
Poll taxes were related to voting. I see this more as a sales tax or license fee.
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Licensing of a right, any right, is contrary to the nature of rights (see Literacy tests for voting)
I have to pay a fee to the DMV every year to keep my car tag current. That's not a poll tax, it's a license fee.
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It's a fee to use your car on public roads. You do not need to pay such things if you do not use your car on public roads. You may still buy and sell as many cars as you wish (well, maybe not sell)
And $10 for the paperwork doesn't seem too high to me.
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The cost, in this instance, is irrelevant. The issue is that it is PAY to exercise a right. That precedent alone should be avoided at all costs, for it may not always be $10, and may not only apply to the 2A

You may be opposed to all fees;
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All mandated ones yes. I charge $15 for transfers myself actually.
that's fine. But it seems to me using the words "poll tax" is somewhat inflammatory. But that's just my opinion.
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The word analogue would fit much better.

If you don't want to pay the transfer fee you can, of course, buy a new gun.

And again, I've gotten off track... terribly sorry!
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OR, how about they open the NICS to non-FFL's? Let people call into themselves instead of having a dealer do it?
 
NOVA said:
Because if we were to seriously look at the 20 millions of slaughtered children – I mean really look at them, with their bodies blown torn and pulled apart....etc.

Maybe you'd be interested in viewing some abortion pictures too.....you can see ten thousand for every one of the others...
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Straw man. Why don't you bring in Hitler while you're at it?
 
007 is a BOG MAN said:
Because Hitler was a staunch supporter of gun regulations and control.
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False. TOTALLY...

Hitler Gun Control Facts: U.S. Pro-Gun Advocates Have More in Common With Hitler Than They Think

In 1919, the German government passed the Regulations on Weapons Ownership, which declared that "all firearms, as well as all kinds of firearms ammunition, are to be surrendered immediately.”

The regulation was in response to the Treaty of Versailles, and the German Weimar government passed the legislation (not the Nazis). Article 169 of the Treaty of Versailles stated, "Within two months from the coming into force of the present Treaty, German arms, munitions, and war material, including anti-aircraft material, existing in Germany in excess of the quantities allowed, must be surrendered to the Governments of the Principal Allied and Associated Powers to be destroyed or rendered useless."

Keep in mind now that we’re not even talking about Hitler yet: The 1919 measure was passed immediately after Germany lost World War I and well before Hitler came to power in 1933.

Hitler, then, came into power when this regulation was in effect … so, yes, Hitler, by default, did have a gun control policy — but only because it was forced on Germany.

Remember how the Hitler Youth were trained to march not with rifles but with shovels? This was a result of the Treaty of Versailles, not a Hitler policy.

Hitler did have his own gun control policy, an extension of the 1919 regulation. Funny enough, it sounds a lot like the boiler plate gun control legislation that is on the books across the United States — and, even funnier enough, the Hitler gun control policy sounds like something any American would generally support … but even more so is what pro-gun advocates are pushing for: deregulation.

That’s right: Hitler and pro-gun advocates want the same thing.

The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law in Germany, superseded a 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." Under the new law, gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. Writes Prof. Bernard Harcourt of the University of Chicago, "The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition.”

The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP party members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted. The age at which persons could own guns was lowered from 20 to 18. The firearms carry permit was valid for three years instead of one year. Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.

Of course, in typical Hitler style, Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.

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Bfgrn said:
False. TOTALLY...

Hitler Gun Control Facts: U.S. Pro-Gun Advocates Have More in Common With Hitler Than They Think

In 1919, the German government passed the Regulations on Weapons Ownership, which declared that "all firearms, as well as all kinds of firearms ammunition, are to be surrendered immediately.”

The regulation was in response to the Treaty of Versailles, and the German Weimar government passed the legislation (not the Nazis). Article 169 of the Treaty of Versailles stated, "Within two months from the coming into force of the present Treaty, German arms, munitions, and war material, including anti-aircraft material, existing in Germany in excess of the quantities allowed, must be surrendered to the Governments of the Principal Allied and Associated Powers to be destroyed or rendered useless."

Keep in mind now that we’re not even talking about Hitler yet: The 1919 measure was passed immediately after Germany lost World War I and well before Hitler came to power in 1933.

Hitler, then, came into power when this regulation was in effect … so, yes, Hitler, by default, did have a gun control policy — but only because it was forced on Germany.

Remember how the Hitler Youth were trained to march not with rifles but with shovels? This was a result of the Treaty of Versailles, not a Hitler policy.

Hitler did have his own gun control policy, an extension of the 1919 regulation. Funny enough, it sounds a lot like the boiler plate gun control legislation that is on the books across the United States — and, even funnier enough, the Hitler gun control policy sounds like something any American would generally support … but even more so is what pro-gun advocates are pushing for: deregulation.

That’s right: Hitler and pro-gun advocates want the same thing.

The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law in Germany, superseded a 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." Under the new law, gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. Writes Prof. Bernard Harcourt of the University of Chicago, "The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition.”

The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP party members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted. The age at which persons could own guns was lowered from 20 to 18. The firearms carry permit was valid for three years instead of one year. Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.

Of course, in typical Hitler style, Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.

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Sorry but your article is total bullshit.
Jews had their guns confiscated then were murdered by the millions.
Countries occupied by Nazis were first forced to register (sound familiar ?) then surrender their guns. Of course the non jewish germans were not subject to strict gun control.

Your article is very misleading and dishonest.
 
Rune said:
Sorry but your article is total bullshit.
Jews had their guns confiscated then were murdered by the millions.
Countries occupied by Nazis were first forced to register (sound familiar ?) then surrender their guns. Of course the non jewish germans were not subject to strict gun control.

Your article is very misleading and dishonest.
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Your brain is misleading and dishonest. It is spelled out in the article. The 1938 German Weapons Act completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition.”

The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP party members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted. The age at which persons could own guns was lowered from 20 to 18. The firearms carry permit was valid for three years instead of one year.

And NO it does not sound at all 'familiar'.

Why are you right wing turds so fucking stupid?
 
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