People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb

pisskop said:
Affirmative action, for one.

And yes, protecting certain groups is a quick way to ostracize them. If you want children (or say, soldiers) to hate a specific person (group) then you give them favorable treatment. Works for children. Works for soldiers. Works for most of humanity.

Of course basic rights need protecting, but by coddling these oppressed groups you cannot hope to make them self-sufficient.
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Tax cuts for the rich. Legacy admissions into college. Favorable treatment re: military service. Who benefited?
 
Anti-Party said:
Yea, you are correct. Blacks commit more crimes in certain areas. Let's hear your brainy fix on this. Is it stop PBS orrrr.......................
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It's poverty. Poor neighbourhoods never seem to be able to instill worthy community values such as respect for other's rights, so we wind up with a ton of crime. It used to be ethnic minorities, and now it's racial minorities. Blacks who live in middle and upper class areas tend to behave as the rest of their class does.

Just goes to show how pathetic proles are, and why self-made men and women from the ghetto are to be admired. They literally have to survive simply even knowing the neighbours they grow up amongst.
 
You don't like Jung? :( Was pretty intriguing for young me. Archetypes, dreams, thought dreams and whatnots.
 
christiefan915 said:
If everybody got fair treatment equally, there would be no need for what you call "favorable" treatment.

It is a two-way street. Thing GWB getting a legacy admission into Yale and Harvard, was that fair?
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Are you comparing the individual treatment of the rich to the racial treatment of a whole group? I assure you that as a white man I received nothing of this sort. His benefits do not stem from his race, rather from his family prominence.
 
Feel free to refute the post you groaned, Rose. Why are poor people so universally violent? How is it that their communities have become hell on Earth, and nearly inescapable, for those that can even survive in them.
 
pisskop said:
Are you comparing the individual treatment of the rich to the racial treatment of a whole group? I assure you that as a white man I received nothing of this sort. His benefits do not stem from his race, rather from his family prominence.
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"The rich" is a whole group. Why are you making it about race only?
 
Okay, but I was assuming this argument was a racial thing, for clarity. The rich are a distinct class made up from a melded pot including all the races.

Socioeconomic standing and born race are different, no matter the correlation some point out.
 
Threedee said:
It's poverty. Poor neighbourhoods never seem to be able to instill worthy community values such as respect for other's rights, so we wind up with a ton of crime. It used to be ethnic minorities, and now it's racial minorities. Blacks who live in middle and upper class areas tend to behave as the rest of their class does.

Just goes to show how pathetic proles are, and why self-made men and women from the ghetto are to be admired. They literally have to survive simply even knowing the neighbours they grow up amongst.
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I've got no problem with self-made men, but,,, they don't exist. To say otherwise is to deny the basic sociality of human beings. We're given so much in out lives - by friends, families, teachers and mentors, co-workers, and generous strangers - for a person's success to be entirely attributed to their self.

Threedee said:
Feel free to refute the post you groaned, Rose.
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I did. Sorry for the delay. :hide:
 
pisskop said:
You don't like Jung? :( Was pretty intriguing for young me. Archetypes, dreams, thought dreams and whatnots.
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I was just saying that the person famous for categorizing personality would disagree with your assessment that "one human being cannot be compared to another"
 
pisskop said:
Okay, but I was assuming this argument was a racial thing, for clarity. The rich are a distinct class made up from a melded pot including all the races.

Socioeconomic standing and born race are different, no matter the correlation some point out.
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Because it seems to me if someone's going to select only a racial group to point out privilege, it's not only unfair but points to bias.
 
christiefan915 said:
Because it seems to me if someone's going to select only a racial group to point out privilege, it's not only unfair but points to bias.
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But if we are discussing racial associations it muddies the water to discuss something that transcends races. Its a separate entity, how much money one has.
 
Threedee said:
Feel free to refute the post you groaned, Rose. Why are poor people so universally violent? How is it that their communities have become hell on Earth, and nearly inescapable, for those that can even survive in them.
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There are many poor communities that are neighborly, with low violence, where they care for each other, their families, and their neighbors.

In urban areas, there are poor communities with high levels of violence. It definitely ties to poverty, not race
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/badcomm.htm

As to why - it's complicated. But this study looks pretty good -A lot of it seems to be the inequality between poor and rich areas.
http://www.hhh.umn.edu/people/jbatwood/pdf/link_poverty_conflict.pdf

instability in poor nations. 6
Sampson, Raudenbush, and Earls, in their 1997 study of neighborhoods and
violent crime, examined race and class segregation in poor Chicago neighborhoods
and its impact on “collective efficacy,” or social cohesion among neighbors. They
found that “alienation, exploitation, and dependency wrought by resource deprivation
acts as a centrifugal force that stymies collective efficacy.” The greater the
effect of this resource deprivation — a phenomenon the authors called the “concentrated
disadvantage” factor — the stronger the correlation to the level of violence.7
The study by Sampson and others focused on race and class issues within American
society, which, because of its egalitarian ethos, may intensify individual feelings
of alienation and exploitation. This may limit the study’s value in examining the
effects of poverty in developing nations. But “alienation, exploitation, and dependency”
are highly relevant factors there as well. They cause social and political
stress both within poor nations and between poor and rich regions, especially in an
information age when social and economic discrepancies are more obvious.
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I imagine unemployment among poor youth also factors in; when there's nothing else to do, and no hope of things getting better, violence is an option for them.

But it's complicated. And of course, this is just focusing on violence among the poor, and not the many law-breaking activities done by the rich- they may not be as violent, but they dodge taxes, commit fraud, sexually assault women, murder etc. as well.
 
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pisskop said:
Are you comparing the individual treatment of the rich to the racial treatment of a whole group? I assure you that as a white man I received nothing of this sort. His benefits do not stem from his race, rather from his family prominence.
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Yes, as a white man, you have gotten things without even realizing them. For example, you've been able to shop in stores without being followed by security (I'm assuming here you aren't a hell's angel kind of white man); you have benefited from assumptions made about you because you're white that you don't even notice.
 
I worked hard at my image, my posture, my vocabulary and etiquette. I made myself who I am with my actions, as do us all. I assure you that the color of my skin has had a minimal impact.

Those stupid propaganda campaigns disgust me, and I'll refer you to a recent article I read,

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Fusco learns about the "unfair Campaign". Most here probably disagree with me, but it sickens me some. source
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pisskop said:
And you are someone who emphasis race when talking. What kind of person does that? Oh, a racist.
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emphasizes? Another candidate for a remedial English course. What is it with the right, that they don't know their native language, worth shit>?
 
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