Should people be allowed to vote on Brexit type issues?

[USFREEDOM911]

Everyone knew the markets would rebound after the vote, with the central banks ready to act fast and calm the markets. The posts stating this are there, I can get them if anyone wants to deny it.

I feel the people here are staggeringly stupid. This is about the long term economic look for the UK itself.

First of all article 50 has not been invoked yet.

Here is the forecast from The Economist, the well known lefty rag:


This hit brings UK's post-crisis recovery to a halt. 2018 real GDP will be almost 4% below pre-referendum forecast (2020 = 6% below)



This all equals a deep recession, higher taxes and sadly, further austerity. The people who voted to leave will be hurt the worst.

None of this will happen over night. And no one really knows what else this will lead to. With the country split, political turmoil is nearly certain. No one can really predict the long term ramifications.

Rather then keep everyone on the edge of their seats, why don't you speculate when these long term ramifications are going to begin.
Will it be 1 year?
2 years?
10 years?
20?
100?
1000?

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

I am well aware of the regard you pisspots show the truth, so I have those handy.

Try again?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

That is absolutely not true.

No it's not.
Didn't you read all of those predictions by the liberals, mixed in among all the comments of "THE SKY IS FALLING - THE SKY IS FALLING"?

 

[Seahawk]

She is so full of shit, you just couldn't make it up!!

She never backs anything she says up. She just spouts of the chip on her nose and actually believes that intelligent people believe her.

 

[Seahawk]

I am well aware of the regard you pisspots show the truth, so I have those handy.

Try again?

LOL

Sure thing kiddo.

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

Oh yes pisspot, the markets will stabilize, especially with the BOE and the Treasury ready to spend billions to shore it up..the UK? Now that's a different story.

So anyway, what is this "Good deal" you are wanting out of the turkey talk in Brussels? Can we see some details of what this good deal you brexiters are going to walk away with?

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?69606-The-Brits-Are-Turning&p=1646617#post1646617


Cameron is speaking and says The Bank of England and the Treasury will continue to take all measures to shore up the markets (and the pound). And I am sure they will. The markets will stabilize at some point. Which is what will let the US and Europe off the hook, for the most part.

Where will all that money come from? There will be further austerity. A shrinking of the GDP. This means job losses and public cuts within the UK.

Short term it may look bad for all of us - long term? Everyone else stabilizes (presuming no further EU defections), and the UK is fucked. Assuming the UK holds, it may split up. Either way, England is fucked, and oh God those poor bastards in Wales, who voted believing the Leavers bs that the UK would replace the EU money subsidizing Wales. They will never see a pound.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?69606-The-Brits-Are-Turning&p=1646489#post1646489

I think the likely outcome, economically speaking only, will be that Europe will rebound, the US will rebound. The UK, who knows if they will hold, or split, and we will have an "Little England" it's early, we will have to see. However, their GDP will fall, and the new right wing Tory will institute public cuts and further austerity. They're on the way down. That is my opinion.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?69449-Brexit-predictions&p=1645777#post1645777

I post proof of what I said and they march on spewing their stupidity. It's really quite revealing. Fascinating.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I post proof of what I said and they march on spewing their stupidity. It's really quite revealing. Fascinating.

Yeah; you make an excellent armchair quarterback, after the vote was done and others were showing that the supposed disaster was nothing more then crying.

 

[Seahawk]

I post proof of what I said and they march on spewing their stupidity. It's really quite revealing. Fascinating.

Proof that you agree with prediction last week.

Okay.

Toot your horn missy sour puss.

 

[Darth Omar]

maybe we should have a test for people here in the US, at which time they can get an ID to vote. no ID, no vote.

What do immigrants know about the complexities of our issues.

Immigrants shouldn't be allowed to vote.

 

[canceled.2021.3]

Can any of JPPs lefty wizards of smart explain how Britain got by before the vaunted EU?

Anyone?

 

[moon]

The FSTE 100 finished the day on 6360, back to its pre-referendum level. The Remainians are all crying, it is truly pathetic.

Come back when your credit ratings are restored.

 

[canceled.2021.3]

Come back when your credit ratings are restored.

I know you muslimes aren't much for reading books other than the one written by the pedophile mohumud, but you do realize that England got by quite well long before the EU right?

You also know that many other countries don't belong to the EU and are doing OK right?

You are like a petulant child and I hope you get AIDS from your camel

ASLIMEALICKUM

 

[Ralph]

Should people be allowed to vote on Brexit type issues?

Let us just say that leaving the EU is a national security risk for the UK. Should the vote still be allowed? What if leaving the EU would mean an epidemic recession or depression for the UK, should the vote be allowed?

What if US voters brought back slavery? Should the vote be allowed to stand?

From my readings most of the people who wanted to Leave, really were concerned about immigration issues. Maybe there is a way to remedy this. Stay in the EU but amend the current immigration policies.

While I think it was silly for liberals to scream about the markets, which I have proven react volatile and are now back up, there is a very real possibility that this could have long lasting negative economic repercussions for the UK and Europe which of course would effect the US. The markets could go back down and when the UK actually leaves, the markets will likely go down again.

Fascism certainly suits you. When THE PEOPLE are removed from the LOOP.....you are no longer living in a FREE SOCIETY. Of course one must consider the source. Question? Just who owns this nation the clowns in DC? Sieg Heil. Of course everyone would most enjoy being overlorded by ALL THE SMART (assed) PEOPLE. We is just toooo stoopid to look out fer oursulfs.

Where would the US BE....if someone said, "You know if we allow those farmers to vote......we might have to face the wrath of the entire British Empire." GET REAL...man the communism and fascism is right out in the open now....Bold. Why? Freedom of Speech...even idiots are allowed to demonstrate their idiocy.

 

[J Craft]

The dopes are the globalists though. Brainwashed lemmings they are.

Yes, when following the liberal Masses sometimes the m is silent.

 

[iolo]

The point about the Brexit vote was that there was no serious demand for it, and no information about (for instance) how the EU worked, our press having denied us such knowledge and lied for many years. People kept demanding impossible information about what other people might or might not do, and cynical scoundrels like Boris the Turk deliberately kept them confused. It was a hugely cynical exercise throughtout - cynical of Cameron, who didn't expect to be in power if the vote was really called, then expected to win out of inertia, totally cynical on the part of the tory Brexiteers, who didn't expect to win but thought association with the nutters would help their careers and now totally cynical on the part of the Blairies, trying to knife the elected fuhrer and distract attention from the coming discussion of their Iraq crimes. It is not a question of denying votes but of preventing squalid political manoeuvres,

 

[tsuke]

The point about the Brexit vote was that there was no serious demand for it, and no information about (for instance) how the EU worked, our press having denied us such knowledge and lied for many years. People kept demanding impossible information about what other people might or might not do, and cynical scoundrels like Boris the Turk deliberately kept them confused. It was a hugely cynical exercise throughtout - cynical of Cameron, who didn't expect to be in power if the vote was really called, then expected to win out of inertia, totally cynical on the part of the tory Brexiteers, who didn't expect to win but thought association with the nutters would help their careers and now totally cynical on the part of the Blairies, trying to knife the elected fuhrer and distract attention from the coming discussion of their Iraq crimes. It is not a question of denying votes but of preventing squalid political manoeuvres,

uhm if there was no demand then why did brexit win? Surely if there was no demand they should have lost in a landslide.

After all you had the remain camp telling them world war 3 would start if britain left

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Look, nothing is really working. No - I don't trust our leaders either. I don't know what the answer is.

it certainly isn't to deny them the right to self determination

But I have seen the reasons people vote. The "who would you rather have a beer with" barometers that many use.

same here, like millenials voting for Obama simply to make history, or voting HRC because vagina, or Trump because 'anyone but hillary'.

No, I do not have faith in the populace to vote intelligently. I don't think that makes me an elitist. I think it makes me a realist.

and like me, you can judge all you want, but start advocating for denying self determination, and we might as well have stayed an english settlement.

 

[moon]

I know you muslimes aren't much for reading books other than the one written by the pedophile mohumud, but you do realize that England got by quite well long before the EU right?

Yes, I'm sure that World Wars One & Two were enjoyed by all- you poor, putrid propaganda pump.

 

[iolo]

uhm if there was no demand then why did brexit win? Surely if there was no demand they should have lost in a landslide.

After all you had the remain camp telling them world war 3 would start if britain left

Why? If you have a vote nobody asked for, they will vote about other matters. I think only nutters think anyone ever said another world war would start if we left - only that the EU had prevented war for an incredibly long time in European terms.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Should people be allowed to vote on Brexit type issues?

Let us just say that leaving the EU is a national security risk for the UK. Should the vote still be allowed? What if leaving the EU would mean an epidemic recession or depression for the UK, should the vote be allowed?

What if US voters brought back slavery? Should the vote be allowed to stand?

From my readings most of the people who wanted to Leave, really were concerned about immigration issues. Maybe there is a way to remedy this. Stay in the EU but amend the current immigration policies.

While I think it was silly for liberals to scream about the markets, which I have proven react volatile and are now back up, there is a very real possibility that this could have long lasting negative economic repercussions for the UK and Europe which of course would effect the US. The markets could go back down and when the UK actually leaves, the markets will likely go down again.

The vote isn't everything. You forget that we live in a Republic and in a Republic people have rights that the majority can't vote away with a simple majority. Just as our government has designated powers that the people cannot vote away with just a simple majority.

So yea, by all means let the people vote but that doesn't mean the results of all elections are binding under our constitutional form of law.