NFL: League NOT seeking mandate for players to stand during anthem

noise said:
it's one poll and it's still around 50-50 understanding. ( and why is that graph dated Oct 17th??)

I'm glad at least those are moving away from blaming Trump for the protests

The key is looking at Pence's actions a little more then 50 -50. Tieing the protests to the anthem damages the message of "police violence" ( and did the poll provide choices? if so that's not unusual-they'll pick an issue out of the noise)

I know what this is about. In fact I think i'm the only person that has come up with a positive idea for reform.
Empower Civilian Review boards with the same power as a Grand Jury - or at least let a review board empanel a grand jury.

for all the protests, nothing is being done because all the heat and focus is on the anthem-
you need to tie protest to a solution or this is spinning wheels
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Civilian review boards with Grand Jury power have been proposed for at least the last 50 years .. and in fact, many are already in place. It's not your idea.

You can keep claiming that 'nothing is being done' all day long .. doesn't matter. But in fact much is being done with much more on the table.

Track Progress of Legislation

Federal, State, and Local Legislation Addressing Police Violence

At least 101 laws have been enacted in the past three years to address police violence
New legislation has been enacted in 40 states since 2014
10 states (CA, CO, CT, IL, LA, MD, OR, UT, TX, WA) have enacted legislation addressing three or more Campaign Zero policy categories
At least 8 bills are currently being considered in 6 states to address police violence.
Executive action has been taken at the federal level as well as legislation
Local ordinances have been passed in many of America's largest cities

Mandatory body cams are a reaction to police violence.
https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

Organizations formed to address police violence are popping up all over the country.

ORGANIZATIONS ADDRESSING POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY AND RACIAL JUSTICE
http://fundersforjustice.org/organizations/

I could go on .. but the point is that you aren't informed about the issue nor what's happening to address it.

How could you possibly lead or even give advice about something you are so ill-informed about?
 
noise said:
it's one poll and it's still around 50-50 understanding. ( and why is that graph dated Oct 17th??)

I'm glad at least those are moving away from blaming Trump for the protests

The key is looking at Pence's actions a little more then 50 -50. Tieing the protests to the anthem damages the message of "police violence" ( and did the poll provide choices? if so that's not unusual-they'll pick an issue out of the noise)

I know what this is about. In fact I think i'm the only person that has come up with a positive idea for reform.
Empower Civilian Review boards with the same power as a Grand Jury - or at least let a review board empanel a grand jury.

for all the protests, nothing is being done because all the heat and focus is on the anthem-
you need to tie protest to a solution or this is spinning wheels
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The only person tieing the anthem to the protest is YOU and the rest of racist white America.

You and dump want to rob the players of their dignity just like back in the slave days.

Black labor power is in the NFL. I know you racist fucks think those Black men wont walk away from money, but keep showing your hoods and you will see what happens.

dump nor the NFL can force anyone to stand for your fucking ill-gotten racist ass flag. This aint the 1800's.
 
blackascoal said:
Civilian review boards with Grand Jury power have been proposed for at least the last 50 years .. and in fact, many are already in place. It's not your idea.

You can keep claiming that 'nothing is being done' all day long .. doesn't matter. But in fact much is being done with much more on the table.

Track Progress of Legislation

Federal, State, and Local Legislation Addressing Police Violence

At least 101 laws have been enacted in the past three years to address police violence
New legislation has been enacted in 40 states since 2014
10 states (CA, CO, CT, IL, LA, MD, OR, UT, TX, WA) have enacted legislation addressing three or more Campaign Zero policy categories
At least 8 bills are currently being considered in 6 states to address police violence.
Executive action has been taken at the federal level as well as legislation
Local ordinances have been passed in many of America's largest cities

Mandatory body cams are a reaction to police violence.
https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

Organizations formed to address police violence are popping up all over the country.

ORGANIZATIONS ADDRESSING POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY AND RACIAL JUSTICE
http://fundersforjustice.org/organizations/

I could go on .. but the point is that you aren't informed about the issue nor what's happening to address it.

How could you possibly lead or even give advice about something you are so ill-informed about?
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Are any of these proposed legislation introduced by libertarians? Just curious.
 
TTQ64 said:
Are any of these proposed legislation introduced by libertarians? Just curious.
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You got me there for a second. I almost thought you actually did research and looked up elected Libertarian officials but then I realized there is zero chance in hell you would do that
 
Because if you want change why would you want people on your side that want the same change you do? That makes zero sense. It's better to stick with the failing status quo and just bitch about it
 
blackascoal said:
Civilian review boards with Grand Jury power have been proposed for at least the last 50 years .. and in fact, many are already in place. It's not your idea.
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do have any links for that? I've never seen it discussed-muchless enacted.
If so -great minds think alike! :)

body cams are Ok for what they are,but the missing piece is getting an indictment for what is clearly police abuse
 
TTQ64 said:
The only person tieing the anthem to the protest is YOU and the rest of racist white America.

You and dump want to rob the players of their dignity just like back in the slave days.

Black labor power is in the NFL. I know you racist fucks think those Black men wont walk away from money, but keep showing your hoods and you will see what happens.

dump nor the NFL can force anyone to stand for your fucking ill-gotten racist ass flag. This aint the 1800's.
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ity's 50-50 you idjit, what i've said all along.
it should be WAY MORE. Simplicity and consistency of message is lacking
 
cawacko said:
You got me there for a second. I almost thought you actually did research and looked up elected Libertarian officials but then I realized there is zero chance in hell you would do that
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Just like BAC did, you could do the same and show the legislation proposed by libertarians to stop the drug wars and racial injustice and it was voted down by dems.

When I look it up I don't see it. I would need you to show it to me.
 
cawacko said:
Because if you want change why would you want people on your side that want the same change you do? That makes zero sense. It's better to stick with the failing status quo and just bitch about it
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That all depends on who it is who claims to be 'on your side' .. would it not?
 
blackascoal said:
Actually libertarians are against the so-called 'war on drugs' .. and one of their arguments is that it leads to increased police violence and misconduct. Of course all libertarians may not share that view, but it is their stated position.

Four Police Brutality Reforms to Focus On: A Libertarian Take
http://reason.com/archives/2014/09/02/four-issue-to-focus-on-in-police-brutali/
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So no legislation.

Libertarians have been around for awhile and haven't done anything.

IMO you can't be against the war on drugs and support positions and laws that keep putting Black males in jail.

Like I say, you can label yourself anything, it's your actions that count.

Libertarians still support institutional racism.
 
TTQ64 said:
The only person tieing the anthem to the protest is YOU and the rest of racist white America.

You and dump want to rob the players of their dignity just like back in the slave days.

Black labor power is in the NFL. I know you racist fucks think those Black men wont walk away from money, but keep showing your hoods and you will see what happens.

dump nor the NFL can force anyone to stand for your fucking ill-gotten racist ass flag. This aint the 1800's.
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Sweet... you really are an ignorant anti-American racist piece of work: Boobyq.

You n' Kaepernick would make a good couple.
 
TTQ64 said:
Just like BAC did, you could do the same and show the legislation proposed by libertarians to stop the drug wars and racial injustice and it was voted down by dems.

When I look it up I don't see it. I would need you to show it to me.
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They don't hold office. How do you spend so much time on a political board yet know so little about this?
 
cawacko said:
Because if you want change why would you want people on your side that want the same change you do? That makes zero sense. It's better to stick with the failing status quo and just bitch about it
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It doesn't change the fact that you still support institutional racism and the racist white.

It doesn't make one bit of difference that you claim libertarian republican it's, what you support.

You can not want to change the war on drugs and still think all Black males are criminals. You just can't.

Did you watch that documentary?
 
noise said:
do have any links for that? I've never seen it discussed-muchless enacted.
If so -great minds think alike! :)

body cams are Ok for what they are,but the missing piece is getting an indictment for what is clearly police abuse
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One of the most critical requirements to lead and/or advise is the ability for thorough research.

Review Boards in Many US Cities Handle Complaints Against Police
A 2013 study by California State University Fullerton shows that more than 100 police departments, many in large cities, have civilian oversight boards. While New York City has such oversight, the Ferguson, Missouri city council only voted last September to set up a civilian review board.
https://www.voanews.com/a/review-boards-in-us-cities-handle-complaints-against-police/2600701.html

National Association for Civilian Oversight of Law Enforcement
http://www.nacole.org/faqs

Civilian oversight boards need greater power and body cams need more work .. but there are many tentacles into addressing police violence already in the works .. a fact completely unknown to the right.

If you don't know these truths, you cannot lead, you cannot advise.
 
TTQ64 said:
So no legislation.

Libertarians have been around for awhile and haven't done anything.

IMO you can't be against the war on drugs and support positions and laws that keep putting Black males in jail.

Like I say, you can label yourself anything, it's your actions that count.

Libertarians still support institutional racism.
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They're against that too.

I haven't taken the time to dig into legislation they've supported, but I can almost guarantee I can find some.
 
cawacko said:
I think I confused threads and was thinking Ferguson when I said city budgets but I also understand why you won't back your private prison claim because that's not where the money went when federal prisons were built.

And sorry you had acne at an old age
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I never had acne, but thanks for your concern. You were still watching Nickelodeon when the prison industry exploded. Yes...Fed money went to build prisons. I didn't say the money went to build private prisons. I said the lion's share of the money went to the private prison industry. Did you simply ignore my comment about investors?

When Federal prisoners are sent to a private prison, where do you think the funding comes from?
 
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