NFL: League NOT seeking mandate for players to stand during anthem

And this is why you are well respected on this board. :good4u:

I hate them. I hate everything they stand for. They don't deserved to breath air. They are a mean violent people I have no sympathy for.
They have 1million of my Black brothers and sisters still enslaved making multi billions of dollars and telling Americans lies about us every day.

You can continue being the safe place they can turn to whilst I'm calling them out for every piece of racist shit they represent.

:thup: lol.

:0) I don't know about how respected I am here, but it's not something I concern myself with. Speaking truth as I see it is more important to me than how its perceived.

I hate racists, not white people .. and I have to be clear about that because I do not want to offend white people who stand with us against the evil of racism, whites who voted for Obama and fight against oppression, whites who have been friends and helpful in my own growth, whites in my own family, nor the white people that we will need to help craft a better society.
 
Hilary had 3 million more votes than dump. Americans came out to vote as usual, and they chose Clinton


You can't possible believe Hilary lost partially because of the Black vote?

Yes ma'am, in part, I do.

The Non-Voters Who Decided The Election: Trump Won Because Of Lower Democratic Turnout

An astonishing spectacle of the election aftermath is the false account of why Trump won. The accepted wisdom is that Trump succeeded in awakening a popular movement of anger and frustration among white, blue-collar, less educated, mostly male, voters, particularly in non-urban areas. Trump promised them jobs, safe borders, and dignity, and they responded by turning out in masses at his pre-election rallies and eventually at the ballots, carrying him to victory.

This story is mostly wrong. Trump did not win because he was more attractive to this base of white voters. He won because Hillary Clinton was less attractive to the traditional Democratic base of urban, minorities, and more educated voters. This is a profound fact, because Democratic voters were so extraordinarily repelled by Trump that they were supposed to have the extra motivation to turn out. Running against Trump, any Democratic candidate should have ridden a wave of anti-Trump sentiment among these voters. It therefore took a strong distaste for Hillary Clinton among the Democratic base to not only undo this wave, but to lose many additional liberal votes.

The story of Hillary Clinton’s defeat, then, is not the Trump Movement erupting in the ballots, nor the fable that some “Reagan Democrats” flipped again from Obama to Trump. The story is altogether different, and very simple: the Democratic base did not turn out to vote as it did for Obama. Those sure-Democrats who stayed home handed the election to Trump.

Take Michigan for example. A state that Obama won in 2012 by 350,000 votes, Clinton lost by roughly 10,000. Why? She received 300,000 votes less than Obama did in 2012. Detroit and Wayne County should kick themselves because of the 595,253 votes they gave Obama in 2012, only 518,000 voted for Clinton in 2016. Mote than 75,000 Motown Obama voters did not bother to vote for Clinton! They did not become Trump voters – Trump received only 10,000 votes more than Romney did in this county. They simply stayed at home. If even a fraction of these lethargic Democrats had turned out to vote, Michigan would have stayed blue.

Wisconsin tells the same numbers story, even more dramatically. Trump got no new votes. He received exactly the same number of votes in America’s Dairyland as Romney did in 2012. Both received 1,409,000 votes. But Clinton again could not spark many Obama voters to turn out for her: she tallied 230,000 votes less than Obama did in 2012. This is how a 200,000-vote victory margin for Obama in the Badger State became a 30,000-vote defeat for Clinton.

This pattern is national. Clinton’s black voter turnout dropped more than 11 percent compared to 2012. The support for Clinton among active black voters was still exceedingly high (87 percent, versus 93 percent for Obama), but the big difference was the turnout. Almost two million black votes cast for Obama in 2012 did not turn out for Clinton. According to one plausible calculation, if in North Carolina blacks had turned out for Clinton as they had for Obama, she would have won the state. I saw a similar downtrend in my own eyes: I voted in a predominantly African American precinct in the south side of Chicago, and I can testify that the lines for early voting at the polling place were much shorter than they were in 2012.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/omribe...use-of-lower-democratic-turnout/#39f0a6d553ab
 
:0) You haven't thought up ANYTHING on civilian review boards that hasn't already been thought of long ago. You don't know this because you haven't done any real research, but that truth is obvious from just what I've casually posted on the issue.

Your belief in your special mental powers is unfounded.

Protestors are taking a knee to demand all the things you think you've thought up all by yourself and more. So you must agree with them. right?

When did you get so thin-skinned that truth is painful and makes you feel all insulted?
yet you haven't shown me any links whereby CRBrds have grand jury indictment powers as you keep claiming has
'already been addressed"

I've repeatedly made my position clear: I do not want the anthem
(a powerful moment of US Unity -E Pluribus Unum)-disrespected. But i support the protests otherwise

I do support indicting rogue cops
 
People can make their own choices but if you choose not to want to work with people who share your interests on important topics then don't act all pissed that things don't change.

Things don't change when you make enemy's of potential allies.
 
Hillary is DOA. The warmongering witch is finally dead.

now if she would just #STFU both the country and the Democratic party would benefit-
instead of her incessant blaming everyone/everything else under the sun for her loss.
 
yet you haven't shown me any links whereby CRBrds have grand jury indictment powers as you keep claiming has
'already been addressed"

I've repeatedly made my position clear: I do not want the anthem
(a powerful moment of US Unity -E Pluribus Unum)-disrespected. But i support the protests otherwise

I do support indicting rogue cops

I am trying not to insult you as I have been throughout this conversation. But you keep tripping over your own arguments.

What I've said about civilian review boards is that they need more power .. something also addressed in a couple of the articles I posted. Scroll back and see if that's true.

The protests are about demanding more power and oversight for those boards and greater local and federal oversight of rogue officers and departments.

If you believe these boards should have more power, then you agree with the protestors, the guys taking a knee.

Where is the argument?
 
People can make their own choices but if you choose not to want to work with people who share your interests on important topics then don't act all pissed that things don't change.

Things don't change when you make enemy's of potential allies.

I'll say again, that depends on who it is that claims to be on your side.

Falcons kicking the Dolphins ass. :0)
 
I am trying not to insult you as I have been throughout this conversation. But you keep tripping over your own arguments.

What I've said about civilian review boards is that they need more power .. something also addressed in a couple of the articles I posted. Scroll back and see if that's true.

The protests are about demanding more power and oversight for those boards and greater local and federal oversight of rogue officers and departments.

If you believe these boards should have more power, then you agree with the protestors, the guys taking a knee.

Where is the argument?
I have no argument with you here.
you told me this has already been done- (CRBrds empowerment) but in the interest of peace and advancing the conversation -Ok fine- we're in agreement

I cannot say it over and over again with anymore clarity..
I support the reasoning, but not the methodology of the kneelers
 
I have no argument with you here.
you told me this has already been done- (CRBrds empowerment) but in the interest of peace and advancing the conversation -Ok fine- we're in agreement

I cannot say it over and over again with anymore clarity..
I support the reasoning, but not the methodology of the kneelers

If the players weren't kneeling, would we be having this conversation?

Answer: an emphatic HELL NO .. we would not.

Protests validated.
 
If the players weren't kneeling, would we be having this conversation?

Answer: an emphatic HELL NO .. we would not.

Protests validated.
JFChrist..kneeling isn't the problem. kneeling during the anthem is the problem.

It's counter-productive in that it takes people like myself who are sympathetic to the grand jury reform
away from supporting the actions/concept behind the protests..

All they have to do is protest either before or after the anthem,and I would think you would get almost universal support BECAUSE of separation from the anthem.
You would still be seen and heard, but you wouldn't get the blowback from disrespecting the anthem
 
I'll say again, that depends on who it is that claims to be on your side.

Falcons kicking the Dolphins ass. :0)

She wants all Libertarians to die. Who else has been as vocal as Libertarians about ending the drug war? No one.

So she's saying even though I may disagree with you on some things I'm not willing to work with you in this most important measure to me? I'd just rather you die?

Not really sure how that helps further the stated cause but that's just me.

SF looking strong in the battle for the number one pick next year!
 
JFChrist..kneeling isn't the problem. kneeling during the anthem is the problem.

It's counter-productive in that it takes people like myself who are sympathetic to the grand jury reform
away from supporting the actions/concept behind the protests..

All they have to do is protest either before or after the anthem,and I would think you would get almost universal support BECAUSE of separation from the anthem.
You would still be seen and heard, but you wouldn't get the blowback from disrespecting the anthem

Again, you've missed the point.

This is a conversation being had internationally. Why are they having these conversations? Answer: Players kneeling.

Why are you and I having this conversation? Players kneeling. Why is he American media having this conversation? Players kneeling.

What do you think is the goal of the players kneeling? Answer: to force these conversations that lead to pressure and action to seriously address the issue of police violence.

Nobody is talking about the flag but you and other people with an agenda.

Can I say this with all due respect? Your 'sympathies' don't mean shit. Seriously, doesn't mean shit. Meaning is found in your actions, not your feelings.

If you can't support a movement to reduce the numbers of innocent people murdered by those who are supposed to protect them .. support the efforts to strengthen the policies that you claim to believe in .. then what good is your sympathy? How do you quantify a feeling?
 
Again, you've missed the point.

This is a conversation being had internationally. Why are they having these conversations? Answer: Players kneeling.

Why are you and I having this conversation? Players kneeling. Why is he American media having this conversation? Players kneeling.

What do you think is the goal of the players kneeling? Answer: to force these conversations that lead to pressure and action to seriously address the issue of police violence.

Nobody is talking about the flag but you and other people with an agenda.

Can I say this with all due respect? Your 'sympathies' don't mean shit. Seriously, doesn't mean shit. Meaning is found in your actions, not your feelings.

If you can't support a movement to reduce the numbers of innocent people murdered by those who are supposed to protect them .. support the efforts to strengthen the policies that you claim to believe in .. then what good is your sympathy? How do you quantify a feeling?

How many cops have you killed?
 
I'll call you a nigger to your face BLM nigger scum.

Boy, I would literally gut you from your raisinette size balls to your gullet before you could even raise your limpwrist into a Nazi salute. Feel free to PM me if you really want the chance. When I get back into the states I would like to see what you are really made of.
 
Boy, I would literally gut you from your raisinette size balls to your gullet before you could even raise your limpwrist into a Nazi salute. Feel free to PM me if you really want the chance. When I get back into the states I would like to see what you are really made of.
I'm sorry there are people like this, it makes me mad I have to share the air I breathe with them.
 
I'm curious about the idea that capitalism and free markets are oppressive to be black people as TTQ64 claimed. Living in the Bay Area I'm in the heart of the most liberal area of the country yet also in the heart of the Silicon Valley, arguably the most capitalistic area of the country.

So even though they vote democratic are all these tech geeks really closet racists and support institutional racism because they have this libertarian street of wanting to change the world through technology?
 
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