Trump Administration moves to end legal marijuana.

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Will anti-marijuana Democrats hold back legalization in New Jersey and Pennsylvania?
http://www.philly.com/philly/busine...nabis-democrats-patrick-kennedy-20171128.html

Inside big pharma's fight to block recreational marijuana
Pharma and alcohol companies have been quietly bankrolling the opposition to legal marijuana, raising questions about threats to market share
https://www.theguardian.com/sustain...reational-marijuana-legalization-big-business

Yet tobacco companies are awaiting the day it becomes legal.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...egalised-dope-save-the-industry-a7789566.html

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[Damocles]

I wonder how many accidents are caused by drivers under the influence of cannabis?

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Well, since cannabis is readily available everywhere we can compare and contrast readily. While it is illegal, the illegality of the drug doesn't stop people from imbibing then driving any less than the legality of alcohol stops people from driving under its influence.

When checking those stats look for "other drugs" on the DUI stats, you will find that no drug reaches the level of danger that alcohol does in that particular circumstance.

 

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Well, since cannabis is readily available everywhere we can compare and contrast readily. While it is illegal, the illegality of the drug doesn't stop people from imbibing then driving any less than the legality of alcohol stops people from driving under its influence.

When checking those stats look for "other drugs" on the DUI stats, you will find that no drug reaches the level of danger that alcohol does in that particular circumstance.

Are drivers routinely rested for drugs like cannabis in the US after an accident or traffic violation?

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[Damocles]

Are drivers routinely rested for drugs like cannabis in the US after an accident or traffic violation?

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Well, considering that there are laws against DUID (driving under the influence of drugs), yes. The stats are actually available. As I said, look up the stats for DUI, you will find that all the "other" drugs are still less than alcohol. No drug is more dangerous than alcohol, all of them added together are less than alcohol in the cause of accidents under the influence.

Anyway, it is no justification to say we should make its use illegal because people will drive under its influence because being illegal itself doesn't stop people from driving under its influence.

 

[blackascoal]

I smoked it a lot in college. But long term use can make ppl a little crazy. Its not good for you.

I've smoked weed for more than 40 years .. I have a degree in IT, DBA, worked for 3 Fortune 500 companies, own two businesses, no criminal record, married for almost 24 years, raised a good family with successful children.

Obama was elected President of the United States .. Twice.

Bill Gates
Bill Maher
George Soros
Oprah Winfrey
Bill Clinton
George W. Bush
Andrew Cuomo
Sanjay Gupta
Rush Limbaugh
George Clooney
Michael Bloomberg
Ted Turner
Brad Pitt
David Letterman
Martha Stewart
Morgan Freeman
Andrew Sullivan
Susan Sarandon
Lincoln Chafee
Maya Angelou
Phil Jackson
Oliver Stone
Carl Sagan
... and millions of other successful people who've smoked and aren't crazy, drugged out, paranoid, or violent .. as they might be drinking alcohol, or dead as they might be on opioids.

 

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Well, considering that there are laws against DUID (driving under the influence of drugs), yes. The stats are actually available. As I said, look up the stats for DUI, you will find that all the "other" drugs are still less than alcohol. No drug is more dangerous than alcohol, all of them added together are less than alcohol in the cause of accidents under the influence.

Anyway, it is no justification to say we should make its use illegal because people will drive under its influence because being illegal itself doesn't stop people from driving under its influence.

I never said that, I am quite happy for all drugs to be legal to remove the criminal element and cut crime. We only introduced roadside drugs testing in 2015 and the jury is still out on how prevalent driving whilst incapacitated by drugs really is.

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[Damocles]

I never said that, I am quite happy for all drugs to be legal to remove the criminal element and cut crime. We only introduced roadside drugs testing in 2015 and they jury is still out on how prevalent driving whilst incapacitated by drugs.

However, fatal accidents have generated testing for drugs and alcohol for the last 50 years, the stats are available.

 

[Bigdog]

I never said that, I am quite happy for all drugs to be legal to remove the criminal element and cut crime. We only introduced roadside drugs testing in 2015 and the jury is still out on how prevalent driving whilst incapacitated by drugs really is.

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We had a huge problem with drunk driving that really grew in the 70's and 80's. The gov't stepped in and cracked down hard. Went as far as to use controversial, random stop and check points on our roads.

 

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However, fatal accidents have generated testing for drugs and alcohol for the last 50 years, the stats are available.

Those roadside swab test kits haven't been around that long. Anyway I am talking about all accidents and roadside incidents not just fatalities. Of course there are more than a few that use both drink and drugs that may pass the tests for either, but still be impaired.

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[zymurgy]

However, fatal accidents have generated testing for drugs and alcohol for the last 50 years, the stats are available.

the potency of cannabis today is nowhere like it was back when I was in college.

no way is it as debilitating to driving as alcohol, but the mentality that it isn't problem is much like how drinking and driving was viewed 30- years ago. That is just wrong, and I wonder if the problem is most people don't realize the significant improvement in potency that has occurred over time as they are relying on their own anecdotal evidence for the weak ass shit that used to be sold "by the lid"

 

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We had a huge problem with drunk driving that really grew in the 70's. The gov't stepped in and cracked down hard. Went as far as to use controversial, random stop and check points on our roads.

Yes they pretty much do that over here, needing only to claim that there was a moving traffic offence.

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the potency of cannabis today is nowhere like it was back when I was in college.

no way is it as debilitating to driving as alcohol, but the mentality that it isn't problem is much like how drinking and driving was viewed 30- years ago. That is just wrong, and I wonder if the problem is most people don't realize the significant improvement in potency that has occurred over time as they are relying on their own anecdotal evidence for the weak ass shit that used to be sold "by the lid"

That is just not true, the skunk cannabis available now contains high concentrations of cannabinoids especially THC. The only thing equivalent to that was Afghan Black which is impossible to get nowadays.

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[zymurgy]

That is just not true, the skunk cannabis available now contains high concentrations of cannabinoids especially THC. The only thing equivalent to that was Afghan Black which is impossible to get nowadays.

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I think we have a current user gentlemen. lol

you read my post, and completely bombed in the interpretation.

strong stuff did exist 30 years ago, but it was extremely rare to find - Sensimilla wasn't commonly sold like it is today

 

[zymurgy]

by the way, drug laws have played a major part in the increased potency.

laws are based on weight of the plant material. so stronger plant material requires less weight for the same effect.

thanks drug war - you have made things worse!

 

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I think we have a current user gentlemen. lol

you read my post, and completely bombed in the interpretation.

strong stuff did exist 30 years ago, but it was extremely rare to find - Sensimilla wasn't commonly sold like it is today

OK, I did misread it. Oh and I haven't smoked dope for a good few years.

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[Bigdog]

Yes they pretty much do that over here, needing only to claim that there was a moving traffic offence.

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No violation was required. They stopped EVERYONE!

This was actual random road blocks with moveable barriers ... and people turning around and fleeing to avoid them ... and sometimes getting chased down.

 

[Bigdog]

by the way, drug laws have played a major part in the increased potency.

laws are based on weight of the plant material. so stronger plant material requires less weight for the same effect.

thanks drug war - you have made things worse!

It's often called two hit or one hit weed because that's often all people DO smoke at a time. You don't need to smoke 5 bowls to get high. Saves wear and tear on the lungs.

 

[zymurgy]

No violation was required.

This was actual random road blocks with moveable barriers ... and people turning around and fleeing to avoid them ... and sometimes getting chased down.

my state plays hilarious games with stoners.

they place signs on interstates about a random checkpoint ahead, but the sign is right before a rest area. what they are actually doing is watching people pull into the rest area and either throw away, or find a better way to conceal their contraband.

 

[zymurgy]

It's often called two hit or one hit weed because that's often all people DO smoke at a time. You don't need to smoke 5 bowls to get high. Saves wear and tear on the lungs.

human tolerance to THC makes this a short lived experience for most people. After time, they stop getting the same level of intoxication from one hit, so it becomes 2, then 3, etc.

these stronger strains also produce far more of a tar like residue, and given the lack of long time history of what that is doing, I fear the younger generation is wrong about the long term effects of these stronger strains.

only time will tell. I still don't want the federal government ignoring what people are saying about allowing it to be legal, but I think people on the safe side argument are being pretty myopic about things as well.

 

[Bigdog]

human tolerance to THC makes this a short lived experience for most people. After time, they stop getting the same level of intoxication from one hit, so it becomes 2, then 3, etc.

these stronger strains also produce far more of a tar like residue, and given the lack of long time history of what that is doing, I fear the younger generation is wrong about the long term effects of these stronger strains.

only time will tell. I still don't want the federal government ignoring what people are saying about allowing it to be legal, but I think people on the safe side argument are being pretty myopic about things as well.

I think that's all debatable.

But I'll just say it's safer than tobacco and alcohol, and leave it at that.