Teachers & Guns? Seriously?

[Taichiliberal]

LOL You're missing the replay of the USA's miracurlous gold medal match. Don't bother me.

Yet you're reading and posting and responding?

 

[Sirthinksalot]

And yet another supremely ignorant statement from another intellectually impotent right wing wonk. Do some research to see EXACTLY what are the dues required for the union...then check into the FACT that the budget for school supplies and materials are based on CITY AND STATE allocations, NOT teacher's salaries.

Your use of alliteration was very nice. The union dues vary from state to state.

God, you are fucking stupid...whether this is willful or not on your part is irrelevant. I'm done with you.

So... You're JPP breaking up with me???

 

[Taichiliberal]

It's not magic, maybe if the teacher's union stopped taking so much of teacher's salaries to use to support Democrats there'd be more money for security in schools.
The blood of children is on your hands if you don't want to pay for security.[/QUOTE

Isn't that the truth? So much wasted money....there's plenty of funding...It's just misappropriated...
Each locality should be able to determine what kind of security they want...including the decision to allow teachers in the building who want to carry...

You do realize that supplies and equipment are allocated through city or state funding which is NOT part of the teacher's salaries, right? And that many schools are subject to PREFERENCE treatment (schools in rich areas get better funding)?

So it should be interesting to see the parents of the rich areas being told that they must shell more bucks to pay for the police academy training for teachers with concealed weapons in the classroom.

All this BS because the gun makers want to keep selling assault weapons to paranoid people...with the NRA as their whorish mouthpiece.

 

[Taichiliberal]

I'm not sure that any of these people posting really understand how many parents don't take responsibility for their children when it comes to providing school supplies, making sure they are properly clothed and not ill, making sure their children have a good breakfast, a good dinner, do their homework, are getting enough rest, and just basically support the fact that their children are in school... and that they are an integral part of that schooling and have a responsibility to actually participate. Too many completely abandon their kids and their parental role when the kids walk out that door in August...until June...
"Why are you calling me? You're his teacher..."

Which is NOT an entire school district in each and every town, city or state in the country, genius....which STILL does NOT justify this insanity of arming teachers instead of reinstating the AWB and requiring license and registration of all weapons purchases.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Of course some are in need. But, it's not true to say they supply the kids if they don't have the money. Basic supplies to start the year aren't expensive...and there are multiple resource groups to contact to make sure your children are ready that first day. No excuse to drop that ball... That being said, not all support has to do with money...We take care of all of the kids...we don't blame them for what they're parents aren't providing. Ever....and often the support continues far after the kids are not in our schools anymore...
Are you an employee in the educational system, to make such judgements? Do you have any idea what teachers and staff spend each year on their students?

WTF are YOU babbling about? One of the points I've made SEVERAL times on these threads is questioning just where all this money to TRAIN all these CCW teachers will come from when teachers are not even adequately supplied by the city or state and have to dig into their own pockets!

 

[Taichiliberal]

The teacher can provide books, lab supplies, etc. provided by the system... However..... If the students in the classroom don't have personal supplies to work with, take notes with, for example, what good is a fancy textbook? Great that you bought your children supplies to be able to function in the classroom. So many don't. They are school supplies...from a pencil to a notebook to a textbook. A student can't function in the classroom if they don't have supplies....So, today, and for many years...paper, pencil, and the like are classroom supplies...Especially if the parent is not providing them...ask any teacher who is trying to teach students in their classroom who don't have them...Many teachers spend thousands of dollars each year to provide supplies for our classroom/students....

If the teachers don't have adequate equipment and supplies, then they cannot do their job, you jackass. Science teachers are a perfect example. teachers spend money on the tools because they are not being adequately funded. In many situation, if a kid's parent's can't afford notebooks or pens, the STATE does, NOT the teacher.

Stop pulling this nonsense out of your ass and just accept that YOU and your like minded brethren Cannot tell us how you're going to pay for the armed teacher training....hell, are YOU going to pay for the guns is the teacher wants one? Doubt it.

 

[Taichiliberal]

In addition, teachers spend a surprising amount of their take-home pay on classroom supplies and yes -- supplies for the children whose parents didn't provide them for whatever reason. You would think a real "teacher" would know this, eh? When my kids were in elementary school, we were lucky enough to be able to afford to buy a few extra supplies that they would give to their teachers for the kids who didn't have enough. My youngest is now a teacher herself. She spends her own money for both the kids' needs and for teaching supplies as well. Scholastic Books is a great partner that offers teachers discounts on stuff; that helps out a lot.

If your city or state is NOT budgeting for supplies, that is a PTA and government issue. It's one thing to supply the tools necessary to teach the class, it's a whole other smoke to TOTALLY supply everything for the classroom AND the children. The basic texts are supposed to be supplied by the state, for example. teachers are supposed to be given a budget to purchase things from Scholastic Books, etc.

But all this is off the mark, because TOP and blowhards like him are using this as a dodge to try and justify budgeting for guns in the classroom. that is a false narrative, a straw man argument.

 

[Taichiliberal]

I'd bet he wouldn't hide...

Like granule, another simpleton for the IA pile.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Would you rather fund something like that or have another massacre of school children fuck head? Security costs $ so that is a straw man argument.

So teachers who have been screaming for years regarding being under funded are now being told that there is plenty of money to pay for jackasses like you to get trained like a cop to CCW in the classroom in case of a mass shooter. Yeah, that makes sense.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Take some advice it is suicide ,for the vast majority of teachers to step into the hallway and have a shoot out with a madman with a assault rifle.
And rough on her students to see their dead teacher covered in blood,smelling of feces when her sphincter lets go at death!
That's the reality of your idiot President's insane idea of arming teachers!

Assuming this teacher is an ex-cop or military person with combat/shoot out experience in a crowded situation...because a stray bullet in a crowded hallway of hysterical, running kids is a tough thing.

 

[Taichiliberal]

" it is suicide ,for the vast majority of teachers to step into the hallway and have a shoot out with a madman"

That isn't an answer that is the wailing of a coward that has no idea how to stop this madness. So instead of ideas he gives BS talking points.

projecting much?

 

[Taichiliberal]

It's the most cost effective solution that doesn't infringe on our rights to own guns. You have no right to tell me I can't own a AR-15.

It's like this: you live with other people, you share resources, therefore, YOU CAN'T ALWAYS HAVE YOUR WAY. So there are laws to regulate conduct, for public safety, etc.

There are more than enough weapons that were NOT on the AWB list....revolvers, semi-automatic handguns, rifles, hunting rifles, shotguns....if you can't defend yourself with those, than you're just a lousy shot.

Like the old Rolling Stones song goes, "You can't always get what you want....But if you try sometimes well you just might find
You get what you need".

 

[Taichiliberal]

1) this also will cost hundreds of millions
2) i have yet to receive any answer from anybody suggesting such, 'how many lives are you willing to sacrifice to obtain your objective?''''

1) tell that to your fellow libertarians, conservatives, oathers, threepers, neocons, alt-righters, republicans, democrats, conservatives who adhere to this nonsense.
2) How is AWB list sacrificing lives? Where is your proof, because if you noticed the number of school shooting and deaths have increased since the AWB was allowed to sunset.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Pinheads have to intentionally go off the deep end on everything and they think they are making a point....

Its akin to saying "Yeah, aspirin might help your head ache but if you take a hundred of them, you'll die, we better outlaw aspirins".....

pinheads need to get a grip on reality.....

Typical Nova post empty of any importance or value to the discussion.

 

[Nordberg]

This is just a Trumpian stupid idea. However it will sell more guns. that is what the NRA wants, and Trump says what they want him too. There is no way that arming teachers can work or make kids safer. And Trumpski said 20 percent, maybe 40 percent. Can you people honestly not see how insane this is?

We have a gun problem in the US. Worse than any country on the planet. We have more shootings by far than anyone else. I know what to do...more guns.

 

[RB 60]

Typical Nova post empty of any importance or value to the discussion.

When I was in 6th. grade, everyone was required to take the hunter safety course. It was taught by the local Game Warden It wasn't so much about hunting, but primarily, it was about the safe and responsible handling of firearms. It stressed that firearms weren't toys and mishandling/misuse of any firearm could easily result in serious injury or death.
In high school, we also had a rifle club (I didn't participate, I had a job), it too stressed safety as well as marksmanship. During deer season, it wasn't unusual for 20-30 of us to keep our deer rifles in our cars to go hunting after school and there was never any shooting incident. Both those programs were politicized out of our schools by the anti-gun/anti-hunting crowd.
You people keep saying the NRA wants everyone to own a firearm, well, as an NRA life member and a certified firearms instructor for over 20 years, I can tell you that is a bold faced lie. You people blame us for these shooting instances, yet every person I've instructed was taught that safety and responsibility was of the utmost importance, and every NRA member believes the same. You don't see any of us committing crimes with our firearms, much less going into schools and shooting innocent kids. So I ask, why do you people blame me? Why do you place the blame on responsible gun owners in general?
Maybe you should place the blame on the core of the problem, which is that kids these days aren't taught at an early age that firearms aren't toys or games, that if you use them irresponsibly, you can't just press the reset button and get life back. Wouldn't that be a start?

 

[moon]

When I was in 6th. grade, everyone was required to take the hunter safety course. It was taught by the local Game Warden It wasn't so much about hunting, but primarily, it was about the safe and responsible handling of firearms. It stressed that firearms weren't toys and mishandling/misuse of any firearm could easily result in serious injury or death.
In high school, we also had a rifle club (I didn't participate, I had a job), it too stressed safety as well as marksmanship. During deer season, it wasn't unusual for 20-30 of us to keep our deer rifles in our cars to go hunting after school and there was never any shooting incident. Both those programs were politicized out of our schools by the anti-gun/anti-hunting crowd.
You people keep saying the NRA wants everyone to own a firearm, well, as an NRA life member and a certified firearms instructor for over 20 years, I can tell you that is a bold faced lie. You people blame us for these shooting instances, yet every person I've instructed was taught that safety and responsibility was of the utmost importance, and every NRA member believes the same. You don't see any of us committing crimes with our firearms, much less going into schools and shooting innocent kids. So I ask, why do you people blame me? Why do you place the blame on responsible gun owners in general?
Maybe you should place the blame on the core of the problem, which is that kids these days aren't taught at an early age that firearms aren't toys or games, that if you use them irresponsibly, you can't just press the reset button and get life back. Wouldn't that be a start?

In your case- consider it the deers' revenge.

 

[CFM]

It's like this: you live with other people, you share resources, therefore, YOU CAN'T ALWAYS HAVE YOUR WAY. So there are laws to regulate conduct, for public safety, etc.

There are more than enough weapons that were NOT on the AWB list....revolvers, semi-automatic handguns, rifles, hunting rifles, shotguns....if you can't defend yourself with those, than you're just a lousy shot.

Like the old Rolling Stones song goes, "You can't always get what you want....But if you try sometimes well you just might find
You get what you need".

It's like this. You don't get to tell me what I need. That would mean you get your way and you've already said you don't always get that.

I have FOUR AR-15s. What the fuck are you going to do about that, TaichiPUSSY?

 

[CFM]

This is just a Trumpian stupid idea. However it will sell more guns. that is what the NRA wants, and Trump says what they want him too. There is no way that arming teachers can work or make kids safer. And Trumpski said 20 percent, maybe 40 percent. Can you people honestly not see how insane this is?

We have a gun problem in the US. Worse than any country on the planet. We have more shootings by far than anyone else. I know what to do...more guns.

If you don't think people should own guns, I've provided an option for you. Funny thing is you refused yet keep doing nothing but running your dick sucker about it.

 

[Mason Michaels]

When I was in 6th. grade, everyone was required to take the hunter safety course. It was taught by the local Game Warden It wasn't so much about hunting, but primarily, it was about the safe and responsible handling of firearms. It stressed that firearms weren't toys and mishandling/misuse of any firearm could easily result in serious injury or death.
In high school, we also had a rifle club (I didn't participate, I had a job), it too stressed safety as well as marksmanship. During deer season, it wasn't unusual for 20-30 of us to keep our deer rifles in our cars to go hunting after school and there was never any shooting incident. Both those programs were politicized out of our schools by the anti-gun/anti-hunting crowd.
You people keep saying the NRA wants everyone to own a firearm, well, as an NRA life member and a certified firearms instructor for over 20 years, I can tell you that is a bold faced lie. You people blame us for these shooting instances, yet every person I've instructed was taught that safety and responsibility was of the utmost importance, and every NRA member believes the same. You don't see any of us committing crimes with our firearms, much less going into schools and shooting innocent kids. So I ask, why do you people blame me? Why do you place the blame on responsible gun owners in general?
Maybe you should place the blame on the core of the problem, which is that kids these days aren't taught at an early age that firearms aren't toys or games, that if you use them irresponsibly, you can't just press the reset button and get life back. Wouldn't that be a start?

You're forgetting most of these shooters aren't law abiding citizens, but batshit crazy,and were able to buy an assault rifle!