Maybe Companies Should Not Be Bought Or Sold But Given To The Workers Who Built Them

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How does wealth extraction work to create extreme wealth inequality?

Well, capitalism always looks for ways to make more profits, increase profits. Small capitalism is more directly connected to people. Big capitalism is not, and that produces the extreme wealth inequality.

If a company is begun by a highly motivated capitalist who builds it from scratch and eventually gets wildly profitable, then he gets rich. And when he wants to retire and enjoy his wealth, he sells out.

When he began that company he had a few workers. He was personally acquainted with each of them. He hired them, he promoted them or fired them. He gave raises to the good ones and hired more to build the company. He knew every worker personally. He could relate to what happens to them as a result of his decisions. He felt a responsibility to be good to them because they are the most important part of the company.

If the company got big, an HR department took over the hiring and firing. The leaders and decision-makers of the company no longer even know the people who work for them. That's important. Oh, the owner knows the higher level workers and the long-timers, but all those new people never even met him. And the decision-makers are making decisions for the company without even connecting to what those decisions mean to the workers. Leadership is disassociated from the rank and file. Leadership in this position is able to make tougher decisions which have devastating effects to the workers. And it doesn't bother them as much because they don't even know the people who suffer the fate of those decisions.

What if, instead of this trajectory, there was a different path?

What if big companies were required to have representatives of labor on their boards? Somebody to 'bring it home.' Somebody to champion the worker's rights?

What if, when the owner was ready to sell out, that board was shifted to be entirely representative of the workers? What if workers could vote and fire a leader who did not live up to this responsibility? That would have a much better outcome for workers and communities where the company resides.

Well?

Where would the money come from to pay off the original owner when he sells out?

How about the profits the company is earning? What if THAT money was used to pay the owner for selling the company?

And what if the new owners of the company are actually hired by the workers so that they work for the workers?

This sounds a whole lot better for society than a company focused on one thing: more profits for the owners.

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A healthy sustainable business model would not only generate profits for the owners and workers but would also have a responsibility to the workers and the communities they reside in.

Then you would never see your Detroits and your Flint Michigans, your devastated communities that capitalism left behind.

And if companies could not be bought and sold like products, then there would be no giant multi-national conglomerates that are so powerful they tell nations what to do.

Why would we want capitalism telling us what to do?

We should be the ones who control capitalism, not the other way around.
 
There was a story about a Brazilian company that the owner closed down. It sat rotting away. The employees needed work so they rebuilt it and started making products. They were very successful. So the owner wanted it back.He said it was his. However if the workers did not fix it and restart it, it would have rotted away. Last I rememberd he was taking them to court so he could reclaim it.https://www.thenews.coop/100093/sector/retail/list-top-100-co-ops-usa-released/
There are many co-ops in the US. They generate billions of dollars of business and the empoyees run them and get a share of the profits.
 
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The word 'company' implies that a group of people are doing something together. The reason they are doing that is because each individual gets something in return. They work together because the total productivity of the company is greater than the sum of the productivity of the individuals.

In today's big business capitalism, the owners of a 'company' all too often are not thinking of the group. They are treating the 'company' as a wealth-generator for them only. This defies the very definition of 'company.'
 
ESOP's have been around since the 70's. There is nothing inherently wrong with them, but one would have to be mighty careful about them. They have been used by management to fleece workers and drive the companies into the ground to force their break up when the workers get common stock and the managers get preferred stock.
 
How does wealth extraction work to create extreme wealth inequality?

Well, capitalism always looks for ways to make more profits, increase profits. Small capitalism is more directly connected to people. Big capitalism is not, and that produces the extreme wealth inequality.

If a company is begun by a highly motivated capitalist who builds it from scratch and eventually gets wildly profitable, then he gets rich. And when he wants to retire and enjoy his wealth, he sells out.

When he began that company he had a few workers. He was personally acquainted with each of them. He hired them, he promoted them or fired them. He gave raises to the good ones and hired more to build the company. He knew every worker personally. He could relate to what happens to them as a result of his decisions. He felt a responsibility to be good to them because they are the most important part of the company.

If the company got big, an HR department took over the hiring and firing. The leaders and decision-makers of the company no longer even know the people who work for them. That's important. Oh, the owner knows the higher level workers and the long-timers, but all those new people never even met him. And the decision-makers are making decisions for the company without even connecting to what those decisions mean to the workers. Leadership is disassociated from the rank and file. Leadership in this position is able to make tougher decisions which have devastating effects to the workers. And it doesn't bother them as much because they don't even know the people who suffer the fate of those decisions.

What if, instead of this trajectory, there was a different path?

What if big companies were required to have representatives of labor on their boards? Somebody to 'bring it home.' Somebody to champion the worker's rights?

What if, when the owner was ready to sell out, that board was shifted to be entirely representative of the workers? What if workers could vote and fire a leader who did not live up to this responsibility? That would have a much better outcome for workers and communities where the company resides.

Well?

Where would the money come from to pay off the original owner when he sells out?

How about the profits the company is earning? What if THAT money was used to pay the owner for selling the company?

And what if the new owners of the company are actually hired by the workers so that they work for the workers?

This sounds a whole lot better for society than a company focused on one thing: more profits for the owners.

PoliTalker anti-troll thread thief disclaimer: If this thread is stolen, plagiarized, will the thief have the nerve to use the entire OP, word for word? Including this disclaimer? If you want my take on it, you'll have to post to this original PoliTalker thread. I refuse to be an enabler for online bullies, so I won't post to a stolen thread. I won't even read it. If you don't see me, PoliTalker, posting in this thread check the author. This might be a hijacked thread, not the original.

A healthy sustainable business model would not only generate profits for the owners and workers but would also have a responsibility to the workers and the communities they reside in.

Then you would never see your Detroits and your Flint Michigans, your devastated communities that capitalism left behind.

And if companies could not be bought and sold like products, then there would be no giant multi-national conglomerates that are so powerful they tell nations what to do.

Why would we want capitalism telling us what to do?

We should be the ones who control capitalism, not the other way around.

The problem with all this is seen with your error in the title of the thread:

"Maybe Companies Should Not Be Bought Or Sold But Given To The Workers Who Built Them"

Workers did not build them.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime
 
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The problem with all this is seen with your error in the title of the thread:

"Maybe Companies Should Not Be Bought Or Sold But Given To The Workers Who Built Them"

Workers did not build them.

Give a*man*a*fish*and you feed*him*for a day.*Teach a man to fish*and you feedhim*for a lifetime

Yeah, have all the workers quit and lets see who makes the company.
 
Yeah, have all the workers quit and lets see who makes the company.

Yes! This is how it should work. This is how I worked my way up in my career. Sometimes my resignation would be countered with a raise, sometimes they replaced me with somebody who would work for less.
 
Maybe we could fix all the schools with the reasoning in the opening post. Just fire all the staff and let the students take over how the school operates. The students have a much better idea of when to have recess, right?
 
Hello 10DayUserName,

ESOP's have been around since the 70's. There is nothing inherently wrong with them, but one would have to be mighty careful about them. They have been used by management to fleece workers and drive the companies into the ground to force their break up when the workers get common stock and the managers get preferred stock.

That would not happen of corporate boards were forced by big government to have adequate representation of labor.

And ESOPs are hardly worker-owned worker-managed companies.
 
Hello 10DayUserName,



That would not happen of corporate boards were forced by big government to have adequate representation of labor.

And ESOPs are hardly worker-owned worker-managed companies.


They are the only practical model due to turnover rates. They cannot just keep issuing new shares of stock everytime someone leaves and wants to keep their stock.
 
Hello 10DayUserName,

They are the only practical model due to turnover rates. They cannot just keep issuing new shares of stock everytime someone leaves and wants to keep their stock.

Maybe when the original owner leaves the workers should have an election to see who the new board will be.

Maybe it should be illegal for multi-national mega-corporations to snap up smaller corporations or mom-n-pops.

I would like to see a path to turn companies into worker co-ops when the originator wants to sell out and retire.

Or perhaps they could be incorporated into already existing co-ops.

Business could exist for the benefit of the workers, not the elite.
 
Hello 10DayUserName,



Maybe when the original owner leaves the workers should have an election to see who the new board will be.

Maybe it should be illegal for multi-national mega-corporations to snap up smaller corporations or mom-n-pops.

I would like to see a path to turn companies into worker co-ops when the originator wants to sell out and retire.

Or perhaps they could be incorporated into already existing co-ops.

Business could exist for the benefit of the workers, not the elite.

And if you are in the typewriter manufacturing business and some freak named Bill something or the other comes along with the idea of building computers in his garage then you are unemployed and have lost all your wealth and retirement planning in 5 years.
 
They are the only practical model due to turnover rates. They cannot just keep issuing new shares of stock everytime someone leaves and wants to keep their stock.

If I were a lefty, I would not see any problem with lifetime stock ownership after I left the job. I would quit as soon as I got my hands on the stock.

Lefties do not understand the importance of the guy who starts up a business and has to pay the rent. Employees have nothing to lose but a job, but the guy who starts the business has everything to lose. Employees will never understand the responsibility of owning and running a business or company if they didn't build it.
 
If I were a lefty, I would not see any problem with lifetime stock ownership after I left the job. I would quit as soon as I got my hands on the stock.

Lefties do not understand the importance of the guy who starts up a business and has to pay the rent. Employees have nothing to lose but a job, but the guy who starts the business has everything to lose. Employees will never understand the responsibility of owning and running a business or company if they didn't build it.

Employees would do the job easily. They actually are doing it every day. If an owner gets killed in a car crash, the business goes on...in almost all cases. Rightys always overestimate the importance of management and owners. They don't know who does the real work. Elitists always are over sold on themselves like Trump is.
 
Employees would do the job easily. They actually are doing it every day. If an owner gets killed in a car crash, the business goes on...in almost all cases. Rightys always overestimate the importance of management and owners. They don't know who does the real work. Elitists always are over sold on themselves like Trump is.

Lefties would run the companies into the ground the way they burn their own towns down rioting, and then move onto the next free company. Animals can't have nice shit.
 
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