Maybe Companies Should Not Be Bought Or Sold But Given To The Workers Who Built Them

Hello 10DayUserName,



And some of those workers at that wage would qualify for government assistance programs. It is absurd for taxpayers to be subsidizing workers of a profit-generating business. Why have average wages not risen in proportion to executive earnings? Where is the rising tide that lifts all boats? Why are the rich getting richer as average wages barely keep pace with inflation? I will tell you why. Because capitalism has maximized profits at the expense of the lowest paid workers. Homes foreclosed on in the Great Recession have been purchased by large financial institutions and are being rented out at payments which could be paying off a mortgage, Except the occupants will never own a home because they can't get out of credit card or student debt. As pay and benefits are downsized in jobs, and workers become increasingly dependent on credit just to live paycheck to paycheck (78% of workers,) America is creating a debt bubble that could topple the recent economic gains. Workers mired in such debts are unable to save for retirement, and many cannot even come up with $400 cash on any given day. They are one major financial event away from bankruptcy at all times.

$15-

It's coming.

Most of your post has zero to do with what was being discussed. Sure $15 MW is coming but it won't be anytime soon and when it does come not a single one of my tenants or customers will be better off because you know what I will do----raises prices. All rising minimum wages do is deflate the purchasing power of the dollar even more....and banks generally will not rent out foreclosed homes unless it was already under lease when they took possession of the property or is a commercial operation like an apartment complex. I have no idea what makes you think large financial institutions are in the landlording business. I bought my house at an REO auction for even less than my 50 cent on the dollar offer to the bank for it when it was listed with a realtor. I bought three houses that way, and bought others as listed REO's for a fraction of their tax assessed values. They wanted foreclosed properties off their books period because it is required by regulations that they dispose of them in a prudent manner.
 
Hello 10DayUserName,

I also did not say that they could not keep current. Why is it so unfathomable to you to grasp that with 26K business bankruptcies a year, the employees of those 26K businesses would be completely wiped out if their entire life were invested in those companies. Sears and JCP were awesome and now they can barely stay afloat. When was the last time you bought Kodak film? 401K and Ira's spread risk. You want to concentrate risk in the hands of workers with a single holding It is a bad idea for workers.

Some executives were once workers themselves. They are all simply people. Most people don't know what they can accomplish until they try. This age, with the internet, makes valuable information available at the fingertips. Many use it to learn valuable skills, surprising themselves and others with novel accomplishments. A business is a risk. It involves as much skill as can be mustered, some investment, and some luck. The unforeseen can always derail the best of skill.
 
Hello 10DayUserName,

Most of your post has zero to do with what was being discussed. Sure $15 MW is coming but it won't be anytime soon and when it does come not a single one of my tenants or customers will be better off because you know what I will do----raises prices. All rising minimum wages do is deflate the purchasing power of the dollar even more....and banks generally will not rent out foreclosed homes unless it was already under lease when they took possession of the property or is a commercial operation like an apartment complex. I have no idea what makes you think large financial institutions are in the landlording business. I bought my house at an REO auction for even less than my 50 cent on the dollar offer to the bank for it when it was listed with a realtor. I bought three houses that way, and bought others as listed REO's for a fraction of their tax assessed values. They wanted foreclosed properties off their books period because it is required by regulations that they dispose of them in a prudent manner.

If it's so easy to raise prices, why wait until MW goes to 15? Well, we both know why you can't do that. You can't raise prices independently of the market without suffering a decline of sales volume. The only businesses which will raise prices as a result of rising labor costs are those which have most of their costs being MW labor. Operating expenses such as rent or mortgage, utilities, capital expenditure payments, business loan payments, materials, etc, will not rise proportionally with MW rise.

A rise in MW will not translate to a proportional rise in product prices. But it will generate more consumerism and a stronger economy.

Raising prices to reflect rising MW also won't work if a competitor automates. Automation of most jobs is coming anyway. When that happens and many jobs vanish, our economy will have no other choice but to tax the rich more and simply pay people for not working.

The law of supply and demand was abandoned a long time ago for wages because the point was reached where too many people sought too few jobs. The wages that some desperate applicants would accept - were too low to live on. Since all wages are influenced by the lowest wages, the result was not enough money in the hands of consumers, a lack of purchasing volume, and a muted economy. The Great Depression made America realize that there needed to be a law requiring employers to pay a basic minimum wage. We have not had a depression since the MW was enacted.

"It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country." FDR, 1933

"Using 2018 inflation-adjusted dollars, the federal minimum wage peaked at $11.79 per hour in 1968.[8][9][10] If the minimum wage in 1968 had kept up with labor's productivity growth, it would have reached $19.33 in 2017." - wiki

That increase in productivity resulted in fabulous increases of profitability for capitalists. Obviously, those increases were not equitably shared with the workers who produced them. Further, since productivity has risen, that meant fewer workers were needed. Not only are those workers paid inequitably to the profits taken, more workers were laid off and fewer retained. How did the American economy continue after so many consumers were shut out of wealth acquisition? I'll tell you how: DEBT! Big finance figured out how to get America on the hook for more debt than ever before. Capitalists have bled the nation and it's people dry by not only extracting as much wealth as possible out of them, but as much FUTURE wealth as well. Now the capitalists are out of tricks. The final hand is about to be played: AI automation which will eliminate labor costs almost completely. What's next? Placing liens on the unborn? (good luck with that) Obviously capitalism as we know it is in the process of playing out.

We will need to introduce more and more socialism into our economy if we are to survive.

The Universal Basic Income is coming.

Good news: Government will not need to be as large. Many government workers whose job it is to expend great effort as a part of a huge bureaucracy in order to figure out who qualifies for government assistance programs and who does not - will no longer be needed. Everybody will qualify. Including those once-employed government workers. Government will be forced to implement a massive automated payment system, with no questions asked. Just cut regular checks to every citizen and tax the super-rich capitalists to pay for it all. And you know what? The super-rich capitalists will be able to afford it without batting an eye. After they almost completely eliminate labor, their profits will soar. But only if there are customers with money to buy their products. Without consumerism, there would be no economy. Government will guarantee that with the UBI.

Until we reach that point, workers will get a better deal if corporate boards answer to the workers.
 
That's funny, because, the Founders were influenced by the writings of Locke and Hooker. Since the American Republic was established in the 18th Century, it may surprise you to know that they were not at all influenced by 19th Century economists like George and Marx. Georgism is obviously incompatible with any definition of the term "property," you fucking idiot.

I actually pity poor fucking idiots like you who have such a limited grasp of knowledge, or history. And yet, rather then being able to learn from those much better educated then you, you think of yourself as a "teacher". I cannot imagine what a worthless life one such as yourself must lead being so utterly stupid:

https://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html


President Obama's State of the Union speech last week focused on America's severe and growing inequality, but he stopped short of repeating the Founding Fathers' many warnings that this condition could doom American democracy.

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."

Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."
 
When we were pushing for a 15 dollar min. wage increase before the election, the owner of Papa Romanos cried about the added cost. He said if it passed, he would have to add 50 cents to each order. That was a big deal to him. He lives in a multi million dollar estate that held election parties for Bush.
Adding to wages does not mean a commensurate additional cost to customers. There are lots of costs that are not effected. The small labor cost is not going to make prices climb like the right pretends. It has no impact of competitiveness because all will have to pay a higher rate.
 
Hello Old Trapper,

https://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html

President Obama's State of the Union speech last week focused on America's severe and growing inequality, but he stopped short of repeating the Founding Fathers' many warnings that this condition could doom American democracy.

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."

Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

What a great article. It would make some of these defenders of the wealthy just cringe:

"Blasi suggests that Congress embrace that 1792 model. For example, he says Congress could allow accelerated depreciation - quickly writing off the cost of new buildings and equipment for tax purposes - only at companies that pay workers in part with a share or profits or shares of stock. Companies that declined would still get the full write-off, but it would take longer, costing them more taxes in early years.

Madison once extrapolated the U.S. population into the early 1900s and concluded that not everyone could farm. But he wrote that since no limit existed on businesses, government could encourage ownership shares to counter what he wrote were the "evils" of concentrated wealth.

Blasi and his co-authors show that in the late 19th century, paying workers a share of profits helped build the fortunes of many of the most successful businessmen. John D. Rockefeller of Standard Oil, George Eastman of Eastman Kodak, William Cooper Procter of Procter & Gamble and grain merchant Charles A. Pillsbury all used profit-sharing to attract the best workers, discourage unions, reduce turnover and give employees a greater incentive to make their businesses prosper. "They did it, for sure, out of self-interest," Blasi says, "but it was an enlightened self-interest that benefitted society as a whole.""

Sounds like a great idea to put the capitalist profit motive back into workers.

Currently most workers are not chasing the carrot, they are running from the stick. They word hard because they fear losing their job, income, health care, and ability to own a home. They accept poor treatment and untenable working stresses because they are afraid to speak up.

They are not motivated to do anything helpful either, or make any waves. They are like zombies who just want to put in their time, get their paychecks and get out of there. The system creates that:

"There are nearly 140 million business employees in America, but just 19 million own stock in their companies, and most of that is as a match in a 401(k) plan. Management typically restricts the rights to these shares: Managers vote the shares and workers cannot sell before age 55 or leaving the company.

Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs), created in 1956 in what is now Silicon Valley, are out of fashion, even though companies with ESOPs tend to be significantly more profitable. San Francisco financier Louis O. Kelso, who taught that every worker should be a capitalist, invented the ESOP. Critics called him a Marxist and worse. Kelso's lawyer, Robert Ashford, says that the idea of owning shares and sharing in profits has been lost on most Americans, although millions of them are grumbling that the economy is growing, but their paychecks are not.

Ashford, a professor at Syracuse's College of Law, teaches that if more Americans could buy stocks with the dividends paid by companies, the whole country would benefit. The wider distribution of capital, he says, would give most Americans a direct stake in the success of business.

And that, say Ashford and Blasi, is exactly the future envisioned by the framers more than two centuries ago - an America in which every worker is a capitalist."
 
Hello Old Trapper,



What a great article. It would make some of these defenders of the wealthy just cringe:

"Blasi suggests that Congress embrace that 1792 model. For example, he says Congress could allow accelerated depreciation - quickly writing off the cost of new buildings and equipment for tax purposes - only at companies that pay workers in part with a share or profits or shares of stock. Companies that declined would still get the full write-off, but it would take longer, costing them more taxes in early years.

Madison once extrapolated the U.S. population into the early 1900s and concluded that not everyone could farm. But he wrote that since no limit existed on businesses, government could encourage ownership shares to counter what he wrote were the "evils" of concentrated wealth.

Blasi and his co-authors show that in the late 19th century, paying workers a share of profits helped build the fortunes of many of the most successful businessmen. John D. Rockefeller of Standard Oil, George Eastman of Eastman Kodak, William Cooper Procter of Procter & Gamble and grain merchant Charles A. Pillsbury all used profit-sharing to attract the best workers, discourage unions, reduce turnover and give employees a greater incentive to make their businesses prosper. "They did it, for sure, out of self-interest," Blasi says, "but it was an enlightened self-interest that benefitted society as a whole.""

Sounds like a great idea to put the capitalist profit motive back into workers.

Currently most workers are not chasing the carrot, they are running from the stick. They word hard because they fear losing their job, income, health care, and ability to own a home. They accept poor treatment and untenable working stresses because they are afraid to speak up.

They are not motivated to do anything helpful either, or make any waves. They are like zombies who just want to put in their time, get their paychecks and get out of there. The system creates that:

"There are nearly 140 million business employees in America, but just 19 million own stock in their companies, and most of that is as a match in a 401(k) plan. Management typically restricts the rights to these shares: Managers vote the shares and workers cannot sell before age 55 or leaving the company.

Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs), created in 1956 in what is now Silicon Valley, are out of fashion, even though companies with ESOPs tend to be significantly more profitable. San Francisco financier Louis O. Kelso, who taught that every worker should be a capitalist, invented the ESOP. Critics called him a Marxist and worse. Kelso's lawyer, Robert Ashford, says that the idea of owning shares and sharing in profits has been lost on most Americans, although millions of them are grumbling that the economy is growing, but their paychecks are not.

Ashford, a professor at Syracuse's College of Law, teaches that if more Americans could buy stocks with the dividends paid by companies, the whole country would benefit. The wider distribution of capital, he says, would give most Americans a direct stake in the success of business.

And that, say Ashford and Blasi, is exactly the future envisioned by the framers more than two centuries ago - an America in which every worker is a capitalist."

I seriously doubt they will even read the article, or understand what is meant by "an America in which every worker is a capitalist." Like Trump they prefer to be subservient to the wealthy. Much easier to buy knee pads then to stand up like a man.
 
Hello Old Trapper,

I seriously doubt they will even read the article, or understand what is meant by "an America in which every worker is a capitalist." Like Trump they prefer to be subservient to the wealthy. Much easier to buy knee pads then to stand up like a man.

So true!

Most conservative workers THINK they are capitalists.

WRONG!

Anybody who is working for somebody else is not a capitalist.

The reason most workers work as hard as they do is not the profit motive. It's the FEAR motive! Fear of getting fired.

Workers don't get paid any more if they work hard. What they get is not fired.

That's no life. Working in constant fear. No wonder there are so many angry people. If only they would direct that anger where it belongs- at the 1%!

What a different country it would be if most Americans were capitalists. Capitalism is an exclusive club and they don't want more competition.

Capitalists want good little subservient workers whose anger can be redirected at liberals.

The ideal situation for capitalists is for liberals and conservatives to be fighting against and blaming one another while the capitalist extracts all their wealth and goes running to the bank to sock it all away.

And they've got it!
 
The problem with all this is seen with your error in the title of the thread:

"Maybe Companies Should Not Be Bought Or Sold But Given To The Workers Who Built Them"

Workers did not build them.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime

Very true. PoliTaker doesn't realize the risk and capital it takes to start a company. He has some sort of aversion towards successful entrepreneurs, calling them "greedy" and "immoral" and then he claims he's a "lover of all humanity". It's hypocritical and disingenuous.
Where would the workers be if the business owner didn't hire them and give them a paycheck every week? I'm all for businesses giving their workers health insurance, a retirement plan and a company stock purchase plan which is what a large majority of big corporations do. Without the big corporations to give their employees these benefits, it would be more difficult and expensive to get them on their own. And the big corporations can provide them these benefits because they make big profits and can afford to give this to their employees.
I praise the large corporations that give back to their employees. They're doing the right thing and that's why people want to work for them.
Isn't capitalism great? Why would anybody hate big business is beyond me. Big business and smart, hard-working entrepreneurs who take risks helped make America what it is today. God bless them.
 
If I were a lefty, I would not see any problem with lifetime stock ownership after I left the job. I would quit as soon as I got my hands on the stock.

Lefties do not understand the importance of the guy who starts up a business and has to pay the rent. Employees have nothing to lose but a job, but the guy who starts the business has everything to lose. Employees will never understand the responsibility of owning and running a business or company if they didn't build it.

Well, I will agree with your statement above bolded in blue but not with your characterization of "lefties" and "employees" (bolded/red). To paint all "lefties" as thinking a certain way wreaks of prejudice and bias. I don't think you really believe that. You're just saying it because it fits into your radicalized right wing narrative.
 
My earliest contact with socialism was when I was just a kid, and we had lots of chickens running loose on the farm. If I threw out a food scrap, they would all come running to get it. One would pick it up and run with it, and the other ten chickens would chase him till he dropped it. At that point, another chicken would pick up whatever was left and run with it. Ten chickens would again put up a chase, and the whole cycle would repeat itself until the food scrap was gone.

People are not chickens and chickens are not people. Therein lies the flaw in your argument. But, if that's what you have to believe about "lefties" to allow you to hate them, then so be it.
 
Thank you. I work pretty hard to disturb lefties, but I wish I could figure out how to get Domer and some of the other lefties to put me on ignore. Maybe if I figure out what a pip is....

Not only is PoliTaker very sensitive. He doesn't like it when people disagree with him and when someone proves him wrong, rather than have a constructive debate, he raises the PIP flag and moves on.

Check this out:

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?112198-Why-Do-Conservatives-Defend-Protect-The-Super-Rich&p=2865771#post2865771
 
When we were pushing for a 15 dollar min. wage increase before the election, the owner of Papa Romanos cried about the added cost. He said if it passed, he would have to add 50 cents to each order. That was a big deal to him. He lives in a multi million dollar estate that held election parties for Bush.
Adding to wages does not mean a commensurate additional cost to customers. There are lots of costs that are not effected. The small labor cost is not going to make prices climb like the right pretends. It has no impact of competitiveness because all will have to pay a higher rate.

And what about the owner of Papa Marzano's who owns one Pizza shop in his town. He has 10 employees and he can barely make ends meet. In fact, last year his restaurant lost $100k and he almost had to fold up shot. But he endured. If the government tells him he has to pay all his workers as much as his restaurant managers and cook, it could be the straw that breaks the camel's back. He can't afford to continue to run a business and lose money. He would have to close and his 10 employees would be out of a job. Is that what you want?
 
Very true. PoliTaker doesn't realize the risk and capital it takes to start a company. He has some sort of aversion towards successful entrepreneurs, calling them "greedy" and "immoral" and then he claims he's a "lover of all humanity". It's hypocritical and disingenuous.
Where would the workers be if the business owner didn't hire them and give them a paycheck every week? I'm all for businesses giving their workers health insurance, a retirement plan and a company stock purchase plan which is what a large majority of big corporations do. Without the big corporations to give their employees these benefits, it would be more difficult and expensive to get them on their own. And the big corporations can provide them these benefits because they make big profits and can afford to give this to their employees.
I praise the large corporations that give back to their employees. They're doing the right thing and that's why people want to work for them.
Isn't capitalism great? Why would anybody hate big business is beyond me. Big business and smart, hard-working entrepreneurs who take risks helped make America what it is today. God bless them.

Socialists like politalker usually turn out to be failures in life who want to destroy the success of others. They do not have what it takes to create their own successful companies, which is why they have their eyes on other people's success. They do not realize that once they remove the flame that fuels a company's success, the success will end. Commies like politalker want to eat the goose that lays the golden eggs.
 
Very true. PoliTaker doesn't realize the risk and capital it takes to start a company. He has some sort of aversion towards successful entrepreneurs, calling them "greedy" and "immoral" and then he claims he's a "lover of all humanity". It's hypocritical and disingenuous.

As was noted earlier, the concept, as put forth by the likes of Jefferson, is hard for those of today to grasp. The people have been so indoctrinated to bow the knee to the welthy taht equality is a concept they find hard to accept.

Where would the workers be if the business owner didn't hire them and give them a paycheck every week?

Or one could take the opposing point of view and ask what would all of that capital do, or where would the ideas go, without the worker to produce the product using the capital offered?

I'm all for businesses giving their workers health insurance, a retirement plan and a company stock purchase plan which is what a large majority of big corporations do. Without the big corporations to give their employees these benefits, it would be more difficult and expensive to get them on their own.

80-90% of corporations no longer offer these benefits.

And the big corporations can provide them these benefits because they make big profits and can afford to give this to their employees.

One of the reasons why the CEO is now taking 300 times what the worker is allowed, and the Board receives even more while the one actually doing the labor gets the leftovers, is because the worker has been indoctrinated to accept the peanuts they are offered. Even with the newest round of tax benefits for the wealthy little of that benefit reached the average worker. The vast majority benefited the CEO, and the board of directors, or the stockholders through stock buybacks, etc.

I praise the large corporations that give back to their employees. They're doing the right thing and that's why people want to work for them.

Try naming one of those corporations that "give back to the worker"?

Isn't capitalism great? Why would anybody hate big business is beyond me. Big business and smart, hard-working entrepreneurs who take risks helped make America what it is today. God bless them.

Capitalism is the bane of any society, and the Founders knew that as Adam Smith expressed, and Jefferson noted. Smith was not an advocate of laissez-faire; the phrase “invisible hand” occurs just once in The Wealth of Nations; and he did not oppose all state interventions in markets. He advocated large numbers of them, from specific forms of taxation to regulation of the banks. In fact, the very idea of high taxation on the corporate world was to "force" them to invest, and expand, other businesses as well as their own.

Unlike those of today, Smith did not think selfishness was a virtue, and he was not a misogynist; and far from originating the idea of “market fundamentalism”, he would have opposed it. Industrial capitalism itself, as the combination of freely trading markets and autonomous corporations, is a 19th-century phenomenon, and only emerged two generations after his death.

“Though our brother is upon the rack, as long as we ourselves are at ease, our senses will never inform us of what he suffers. They never did and never can carry us beyond our own persons, and it is by the imagination only that we form any conception of what are his sensations...His agonies, when they are thus brought home to ourselves, when we have this adopted and made them our own, begin at last to affect us, and we then tremble and shudder at the thought of what he feels.”
― Adam Smith, The Theory of Moral Sentiments

http://evonomics.com/how-capitalism-actually-generates-more-inequality/
 
Socialists like politalker usually turn out to be failures in life who want to destroy the success of others. They do not have what it takes to create their own successful companies, which is why they have their eyes on other people's success. They do not realize that once they remove the flame that fuels a company's success, the success will end. Commies like politalker want to eat the goose that lays the golden eggs.

I think that's way too extreme. PoliTaker isn't a socialist or commie and I think you know that. You're just labelling him as such because it helps your argument.
Many successful entrepreneurs classify themselves as liberals. Do you think all liberals are socialists and commies? If you do, you're an extremist, just like the left-wing extremists you hate so much, only on the other end of the political spectrum.
Extremism in any form is dangerous.
 
I think that's way too extreme. PoliTaker isn't a socialist or commie and I think you know that. You're just labelling him as such because it helps your argument.
Many successful entrepreneurs classify themselves as liberals. Do you think all liberals are socialists and commies? If you do, you're an extremist, just like the left-wing extremists you hate so much, only on the other end of the political spectrum.
Extremism in any form is dangerous.

Political identify terms have become obsolete. Socialists, democrats, libertarians, GOP, communists, progressives, lefties, and commies are all the same thing, and I just refer to all of them as either lefties or commies. PoliTalker is a lowly commie who has lived a life of failure. He has never succeeded at anything, so now he wants to take everybody else's success.
 
That is so incredibly not true. Just because the workers know where the brooms and toilet paper are doesn't mean they can run the business. Workers worry about getting to the next paid holiday. Owners don't get paid holidays. It is January and I am already planning shit that will not happen until October and preparing for things that won't need to be done until two or three years from now. It isn't as if people are more or less capable. It is that they require completely different mindsets. Workers mindsight is more myopic and in the here and now.

So you went from a janitor running a business . Pretty dishonest. The fact is if you are not training people to do the top positions ,you are doing a terrible job. You should have redundancy in every position. If you are a godly manager keeping all the biuusioness to yourself, you cannot go on vacation or get sick without hurting the company.
If you are working at a big corporation and keep your staff from understanding your duties, you cannnot get promoted. There is nobody who can do your job. You are creating a blockage to your moving up.
Yeah, workers can do the big jobs. You insult them .
JK Galbraith called top bosses ratifiers. They have a staff that does all the work gathering data on how something is working. They do the same for new projects, Once they have all the data clollected, they give it to the boss. The data is the decider. He simply gives a go ahead to what was proven by the workers.
 
Lefties have difficulty with analogies and hypotheticals.

I know many "lefties" and they don't have difficulty with analogies and hypotheticals. Most are actually very smart and don't make blind judgements about their political preference like you do. But go ahead and believe that if it helps you hate them more.
 
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