Christ sacrificed Himself on the cross to erase your bad KARMA

Didn't sat that.

The Christians I know commemorate Easter first and foremost as a celebration of the divine nature of the resurrection.

The OP made it a point to hold out the crucifixion of Good Friday as the central them of Easter Sunday. You would have to ask him why he consider's Good Friday's crucifixtion as the central and most important theme of Easter.

sorry if you misunderstood.......your sins were erased (see thread title) at the time of resurrection, not at the time of crucifixion (the sacrifice).......both are important.....however, both are meaningless to you if you refuse to believe.......
 
you goyim have lower souls and lower intelligence, so it was easy for paul the conman to bring you into another pagan religion

doesn't answer my question......why is the old guy with the beard so ignorant.......he's only slightly smarter than the JPP's resident atheist semite........
 
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Obviously, the Christian god did not protect one of his/her/it’s major icons from destruction.

God has no icons.......I think he has emojis though.....
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No offense man, but Karma and Christianity have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Christ died for the forgiveness of our sins, not "bad Karma". There's no such thing as Karma.

Happy Easter.

That which ye sow also shall ye reap...
Judge not lest ye be judged...
 
Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."
yep.....

Isaiah 53 clearly [and ironically] refers to the Jewish people
nope.....
IS 5:
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
and....
12For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
when did the Jews take on my sins for me?......
 
Yes. It does. He honors his Word. He swears by Himself alone. He can not lie.
He's offered a free gift. Accept it or don't accept it. If we do not, we have judged ourselves.

A guy commits mass murders in a state with the death penalty, the guy's aware of this and all the state's judges take an oath to uphold that state's laws.
He's brought before one of those judges and the judge gives him the death sentence.
Did the judge condemn him to death? Or, did the guy bring that judgement upon himself?
The judge only proclaimed what the guy already knew would happen.
The judge honored his oath.

What a horrible analogy. For starters, judges don't make their own laws. A more apt analogy is an abusive husband/father that imprisons his family in the basement for not worshiping him. It doesn't matter that he warned them to worship him beforehand, it's still abuse.
 
What a horrible analogy. For starters, judges don't make their own laws. A more apt analogy is an abusive husband/father that imprisons his family in the basement for not worshiping him. It doesn't matter that he warned them to worship him beforehand, it's still abuse.

No. I said the judges take an oath to uphold that state's laws.
 
No. I said the judges take an oath to uphold that state's laws.

But God is the judge in your analogy, yes? God created the laws. Judges just uphold the laws society has agreed on. I don't remember ever having a voice in the matter of whether or not bowing down to someone will damn my soul for eternity.
 
The analogy is of an earthly (carnal) event.

God is not trying to imprison people, beat people, torture people while waiting for people to come willingly to accept his offer of freedom from the bondage of sin and eternal death.
He extends 'common grace' to all us sinners...beauty of his sunrises and sunsets, enjoying the sounds of his birds singing, the smell of the salt air on his oceans, the softness of a dove.
He's quite merciful as he waits.

If one chooses not to accept his offer of forgiveness, love, peace for all eternity then that's your choice. He's God, we're not. And, you do have a voice in the matter.
God has said that he sets before us two roads. Life or death. Then he even gives us the answer key........"Choose life".
Good advice.
 
The analogy is of an earthly (carnal) event.

God is not trying to imprison people, beat people, torture people while waiting for people to come willingly to accept his offer of freedom from the bondage of sin and eternal death.
He extends 'common grace' to all us sinners...beauty of his sunrises and sunsets, enjoying the sounds of his birds singing, the smell of the salt air on his oceans, the softness of a dove.
He's quite merciful as he waits.

If one chooses not to accept his offer of forgiveness, love, peace for all eternity then that's your choice. He's God, we're not. And, you do have a voice in the matter.
God has said that he sets before us two roads. Life or death. Then he even gives us the answer key........"Choose life".
Good advice.

do you think Jesus would vote Trump if still around?
 
Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:

Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
Jewish belief is based on national revelation.
But first, some background: What exactly is the Messiah?

The word "Messiah" is an English rendering of the Hebrew word Mashiach, which means "anointed." It usually refers to a person initiated into God's service by being anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, 1-Kings 1:39, 2-Kings 9:3)

(1) Jesus Did Not Fulfill the Messianic Prophecies
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34)



Specifically, the Bible says he will:

Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah.

Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible no concept of a second coming exists.

(2) Jesus Did Not Embody the Personal Qualifications of Messiah
A. Messiah as Prophet
The Messiah will become the greatest prophet in history, second only to Moses. (Targum – Isaiah 11:2; Maimonides – Teshuva 9:2)

Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry, a situation which has not existed since 300 BCE. During the time of Ezra, when the majority of Jews remained in Babylon, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets – Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.

Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended, and thus could not be a prophet.

B. Descendant of David
Many prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)

The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father – and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. (1)

According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (2) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

C. Torah Observance
The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)

Throughout the Christian "New Testament," Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"

(3) Mistranslated Verses "Referring" to Jesus
Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text – which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.

A. Virgin Birth
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

B. Suffering Servant
Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."

In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit. Throughout Jewish scripture, Israel is repeatedly called, in the singular, the "Servant of God" (see Isaiah 43:8). In fact, Isaiah states no less than 11 times in the chapters prior to 53 that the Servant of God is Israel.

When read correctly, Isaiah 53 clearly [and ironically] refers to the Jewish people being "bruised, crushed and as sheep brought to slaughter" at the hands of the nations of the world. These descriptions are used throughout Jewish scripture to graphically describe the suffering of the Jewish people (see Psalm 44).

Isaiah 53 concludes that when the Jewish people are redeemed, the nations will recognize and accept responsibility for the inordinate suffering and death of the Jews.

(4) Jewish Belief is Based Solely on National Revelation
Throughout history, thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that he or she is God's true prophet. But personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion because one can never know if it is indeed true. Since others did not hear God speak to this person, they have to take his word for it. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, they do not prove he is a genuine prophet. All the miracles show – assuming they are genuine – is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy.

Judaism, unique among all of the world's major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).

Of the thousands of religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation – i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He'll tell everyone, not just one person.

Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):

The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.
What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others... as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you..." The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us – who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)

Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.

Jesus will finish those prophecies at the second coming.
 
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