The media is hilarious...

Flash said:
We don't have to do that to find out how people voted. Exit polls do ask individual voters how they voted. Election results from individual precincts tell us how whose precincts voted and we know the population make-up of those precincts.
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How do the exit pollsters decide which exiting "voters" to ask? Are you saying the exit pollsters ask everyone leaving a polling location how they voted? How do exit pollsters they know that the people they ask actually voted, if they didn't see them mark a ballot? How do exit pollsters know that the people they ask voted for the candidate they claimed they did? How do you know that exit pollsters are reporting their results accurately?

How do you know the demographics of a precinct are accurate?

How do you know the people who supposedly voted in a precinct match the demographics?

Flash said:
The final RealClearPolitics poll averages showed Biden winning 7 states-he won 9. It showed Sanders winning 6 states-he won 4. It only missed on MN, ME, and MA and those results could have been affected by last minute drop-outs by Pete and Klobuchar. The polls got it right on 11 of 14 states.
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I could have turned out the lights and thrown darts at a poster with the candidates faces on them and achieved the same "accuracy," couldn't I?
 
Why waste time and money just give Biden the nomination so the right can cheat him out of it like Hilary.

If dump wins again, will it be Black peoples fault?
 
TTQ64 said:
If dump wins again, will it be Black peoples fault?
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I don't know but if Biden gets the nom you can thank blacks in large part, just like you can thank blacks for handing the nom to hrc. Why do you think blacks vote as a bloc? :dunno:
 
Legion said:
I doubt it. Joe has the Party machine behind him.

There's not much difference between Bernie and Gropin' Joe, policy-wise, is there?
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His voting history would suggest that he's substantially more moderate than Sanders. I still wouldn't vote for him myself, but I can see how he would be comparably more appealing to moderate Democrats (many of whom are black).
 
Woko Haram said:
His voting history would suggest that he's substantially more moderate than Sanders. I still wouldn't vote for him myself, but I can see how he would be comparably more appealing to moderate Democrats (many of whom are black).
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I disagree. His current policy positions are almost a mirror image of Comrade Bernie's, ideologically.

The biggest difference between Sanders and Biden is in their economic views. Biden has been a bag man for big corporations for his entire career. Delaware is like the Luxembourg of U.S. states — a tiny tax haven and flag of convenience for corporations who own the local political system outright, and Biden is no exception. His economic policy career has been one disgrace after the next — sponsoring or voting for multiple rounds of financial deregulation, trade deals that savaged the American manufacturing base, and bankruptcy "reform" that made it much harder to discharge consumer debt (and nearly impossible to get rid of student debt). It's no surprise at all that on the same day he launched his campaign, Biden held a fundraiser including several corporate lobbyists and Republican donors at the home of a Comcast executive.

To sum up: For many of the worst problems bedeviling American society today — corporate corruption, extreme inequality, wild over-imprisonment, financial oligarchy — Biden either enabled or directly helped create them.


https://theweek.com/articles/837515/biden-vs-bernie-what-two-long-records-say-about-2020
 
Legion said:
I disagree. His current policy positions are almost a mirror image of Comrade Bernie's, ideologically.

The biggest difference between Sanders and Biden is in their economic views. Biden has been a bag man for big corporations for his entire career. Delaware is like the Luxembourg of U.S. states — a tiny tax haven and flag of convenience for corporations who own the local political system outright, and Biden is no exception. His economic policy career has been one disgrace after the next — sponsoring or voting for multiple rounds of financial deregulation, trade deals that savaged the American manufacturing base, and bankruptcy "reform" that made it much harder to discharge consumer debt (and nearly impossible to get rid of student debt). It's no surprise at all that on the same day he launched his campaign, Biden held a fundraiser including several corporate lobbyists and Republican donors at the home of a Comcast executive.

To sum up: For many of the worst problems bedeviling American society today — corporate corruption, extreme inequality, wild over-imprisonment, financial oligarchy — Biden either enabled or directly helped create them.


https://theweek.com/articles/837515/biden-vs-bernie-what-two-long-records-say-about-2020
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Biden has certainly shifted some to the left on social views (just like his party overall), but as you said, his economic views aren't nearly as far left as Bernie's.

Granted, I agree that he's also a corporatist.

So yeah, the Democrats seem to be narrowing things down to either a socialist or a corporate lackey.
 
Woko Haram said:
Biden has certainly shifted some to the left on social views (just like his party overall), but as you said, his economic views aren't nearly as far left as Bernie's.

Granted, I agree that he's also a corporatist.

So yeah, the Democrats seem to be narrowing things down to either a socialist or a corporate lackey.
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To determine how Biden voted in the Senate, I used the American Conservative Union ratings to examine his lifelong voting record.

His ACU rating is a miserable 12.67. That means Biden only voted with conservatives 12.67 percent of the time.

Contrary to the image DEMOCRATS are trying to project of "moderate" Joe Biden, his record indicates that there’s not much distance between Biden and Comrade Bernie on many the issues.

And in case you are wondering, it’s not like Biden was some progressive firebrand in the 1970s, who somehow morphed into something more moderate as he aged. His record during his last two years of voting (2007 and 2008) were perfect zero scores, and it’s kind of tough to be more progressive than that.

By buying into the DEMOCRAT trope that Biden is a "moderate", his opponents are actually helping his candidacy. This helps Biden. DEMOCRATS will be able to point to Biden as “the centrist”.
 
Legion said:
To determine how Biden voted in the Senate, I used the American Conservative Union ratings to examine his lifelong voting record.

His ACU rating is a miserable 12.67. That means Biden only voted with conservatives 12.67 percent of the time.

Contrary to the image DEMOCRATS are trying to project of "moderate" Joe Biden, his record indicates that there’s not much distance between Biden and Comrade Bernie on many the issues.

And in case you are wondering, it’s not like Biden was some progressive firebrand in the 1970s, who somehow morphed into something more moderate as he aged. His record during his last two years of voting (2007 and 2008) were perfect zero scores, and it’s kind of tough to be more progressive than that.

By buying into the DEMOCRAT trope that Biden is a "moderate", his opponents are actually helping his candidacy. This helps Biden. DEMOCRATS will be able to point to Biden as “the centrist”.
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Fair enough, but I'm not too worried about Biden in general.

He's like the John Kerry of 2020. Trump is going to stomp him in the debates.
 
Woko Haram said:
Trump is going to stomp him in the debates.
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I don't think that matters as much as you think it will. Here's why: Only hard-core political junkies watch debates. The masses get their impressions later, from the mass media.

The leftist-infested media will manipulate public perception with strategically-edited sound quotes, bites and video clips to make Gropin' Joe look like the winner and the president look like the loser. By the time Facebook and the Twitter-verse kick in (fueled by Bloomberg's multi-millions), the "take" is going to be altered out of all recognition. That's the power of propaganda.

Biden could shit his pants and spontaneously combust on the debate stage, and nobody will know unless they watch the whole thing in real time.

DEMOCRATS don't care how bad their candidate is. They proved that in 2016.
 
cawacko said:
Good luck winning in the future telling people they can only vote in the democratic primary for president if they live in a state that voted for the Democratic nominee in the prior election. That would go over well I’m sure.
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You think a Democrat is going to win a Confederate state?
 
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