NYTimes Blunder Over Their Botched Russia-Taliban Story

[dukkha]

So there was something of definite value that Russia wanted from Trump; namely, removing the sanctions.

The Oligarchs have been hard by the sanctions - they want relief hence the distancing.

But the relationship ebbs and flows; traditionally oligarchs are also political players -but they are not
a player within Russian government -they are a separate power structure

You are going to argue that Russian oligarchs aren't tied to Putin?

some had a close business relation, some just want to be left alone, everyhting is circumstantial
But Oligarchs are not politically ties to the Russian government - they are a power structure to themselves

 

[Walt]

they dont really care if we do or we dont. We aren't the strong horse now and neither is the current government
Russia want commercial ties, and does need Kabul to settle down

Putin believes he benefits from instability. Russia has insulated itself from global economic downturns. They no longer border on Afghanistan, so could care less about spill over.

 

[LV426]

The Oligarchs have been hard by the sanctions - they want relief hence the distancing

So there's the quo...or the quid.

But the relationship ebbs and flows; traditionally oligarchs are also political players -but they are not
a player within Russian government -they are a separate power structure

You're going to argue in 2016 that Oleg Deripaska was not a power player in Putin's government??

some had a close business relation, some just want to be left alone, everyhting is circumstantial

Manafort, as campaign manager, asks Kilmnik to share confidential GOP polling data from the upper midwest states that were targeted by Russian Active Measures on social media with Oleg Deripaska, WHY?

 

[dukkha]

Putin believes he benefits from instability. Russia has insulated itself from global economic downturns. They no longer border on Afghanistan, so could care less about spill over.

not true at all. you have no clue what you are talking about. completely stupid
Putin seeks economic opportunity with Afghanistan -

https://watermark.silverchair.com/a...Mf2b25ZkWuDZGT-ugIrGNhLBJlt5dAXZgtNimNmgEIGFY
ABSTRACT
The Russian government under Vladimir Putin has long-term geostrategic interests inAfghanistan: stability, economic development, and curbing narcotics flowing intoCentral Asia and thence to Russia.
Moscow is in the difficult position of not wanting American forces to stay in Afghanistan but also not wanting the draw down of forces to leave behind chaos

 

[dukkha]

So there's the quo...or the quid.

nobody cares except you. Mueller is a dead issue

You're going to argue in 2016 that Oleg Deripaska was not a power player in Putin's government??

in terms of taaxes and the economy yes -as I've said over and over
In terms of any ties to Russian intelligence? no

Manafort, as campaign manager, asks Kilmnik to share confidential GOP polling data from the upper midwest states that were targeted by Russian Active Measures on social media with Oleg Deripaska, WHY?

i dont care at all.
Mueler didn;t make any indictments so the whole sad hoax is done for

 

[LV426]

nobody cares except you. Mueller is a dead issue

It's not a dead issue at all because it makes sense in the context of Trump doing nothing as he learned about the bounties, and trying to get Russia into the G-8.

 

[LV426]

terms of taaxes and the economy yes -as I've said over and over
In terms of any ties to Russian intelligence? no

Why not in terms of Russian intelligence? Why would Manafort share polling data with him? Why does Deripaska care about polls from Michigan and Pennsylvania?

 

[LV426]

i dont care at all.

I think you do care a great deal. Which is why it's weird that you're saying you don't care why someone did something.

What if Manafort shared polling data with Deripaska because he knew Deripaska would pass it on to the FSB so they could wage their active measures? Would you care then?

 

[dukkha]

It's not a dead issue at all because it makes sense in the context of Trump doing nothing as he learned about the bounties, and trying to get Russia into the G-8.

conspiratorial junk.
Trump has long wanted Russia in the g-8. Trumps instincts have always been correct - partner with Russia on realpolitik issues and use Russia to triangulate against China..

I can't even follow wtf you are saying -it's all just a blob of conspiracy

 

[Phantasmal]

It's not a dead issue at all because it makes sense in the context of Trump doing nothing as he learned about the bounties, and trying to get Russia into the G-8.

It will be fully investigated once Trump and Barr are gone is my hope.

 

[dukkha]

I think you do care a great deal. Which is why it's weird that you're saying you don't care why someone did something.

What if Manafort shared polling data with Deripaska because he knew Deripaska would pass it on to the FSB so they could wage their active measures? Would you care then?

your fevered mind is not my concern. this has all been looked at.
Except Mueller did not look at exculpatory evidence, and when you factor that in -it goes nowhere

 

[dukkha]

It will be fully investigated once Trump and Barr are gone is my hope.

silliness. you sound like Pelosi " I have no idea what Putin has on Trump" she's a vicious ditz.

She provides nothing to back that up except a discredited NYTime fake news intel leak. More Russian hoax

 

[LV426]

Trump has long wanted Russia in the g-8.

Obviously as repayment for getting him elected with their Active Measures, which Manafort helped by sharing polling data with Deripaska. Why else would he share it?

I can't even follow wtf you are saying -it's all just a blob of conspiracy

Now, now...don't act in bad faith. Trump's actions toward Russia make all the sense in the world since they got him elected.

 

[LV426]

your fevered mind is not my concern. this has all been looked at.
Except Mueller did not look at exculpatory evidence, and when you factor that in -it goes nowhere

No one has answered the question as to why Manafort was so insistent Kilmnik hold "secret briefings" with Deripaska about GOP polling data.

What does Deripaska have to do with anything? Why him and not any of the other oligarchs?

 

[LV426]

xcept Mueller did not look at exculpatory evidence, and when you factor that in -it goes nowhere

Oh, so there's exculpatory evidence that explains why Manafort wanted GOP polling data in front of Deripaska? What is that evidence?

 

[LV426]

silliness. you sound like Pelosi " I have no idea what Putin has on Trump" she's a vicious ditz.

She provides nothing to back that up except a discredited NYTime fake news intel leak. More Russian hoax

Why did Manafort want GOP polling data in front of Deripaska? What does Deripaska have to do with Michigan or Wisconsin?

 

[LV426]

It will be fully investigated once Trump and Barr are gone is my hope.

We'll see. Biden strikes me that he'll want to set the tone of moving on, just like Obama did when he let the GOP and Wall Street off the hook in 2009.

 

[Phantasmal]

We'll see. Biden strikes me that he'll want to set the tone of moving on, just like Obama did when he let the GOP and Wall Street off the hook in 2009.

I certainly hope not, it’s time to hold all politicians feet to the gore for their crimes.

 

[LV426]

I certainly hope not, it’s time to hold all politicians feet to the gore for their crimes.

I agree.

I wish he would turn Bush, Rice, and Cheney over to The Hague.

 

[Grokmaster]

COMPLETELY UNSUBSTANIATD BULLSHIT, LEAKED BY ANOTHER OBAMA LEFTOVER FELON.