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Darla said:
Ok, well I don't know if I would feel differently if I had a wife and a child, so I can't say. And I'm not judging, I am just wondering if everyone worries about this happening.
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My family doesn't even keep the doors locked. No house here has ever been broken into.
 
blackascoal said:
I hope I haven't caused any undue fear .. but I tell everybody I care about to get a dog. The relationship alone makes you healthier. Plus, after my own dog saved my life I feel it's like a mission.
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No not at all. I just never think anyone is going to break in here. One day last week, during broad daylight, while I was posting here, I kept hearing these crazy noises, and I thought someone was in my attic. I live in a condo. I kept getting up and looking, but I didn't see anything. It ended up the maintenance guys were cleaning the gutters on the roof. That was the only time since I have lived here I ever thought of someone breaking in.
 
Darla said:
No not at all. I just never think anyone is going to break in here. One day last week, during broad daylight, while I was posting here, I kept hearing these crazy noises, and I thought someone was in my attic. I live in a condo. I kept getting up and looking, but I didn't see anything. It ended up the maintenance guys were cleaning the gutters on the roof. That was the only time since I have lived here I ever thought of someone breaking in.
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tell us darla, what would you have done if it was really someone breaking in?
 
Darla said:
OMG, and defile my white body?!

Oh Lord will no one help this poor white girl?
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Sweet... (rubs hands together evilly... goes to put on suit of armor...)

I knew this suit would come in handy some day!



:vik: (singing)-> Here I come to save the day!
 
Damocles said:
Again you are inanely dismissive without comprehension, you are assuming a centrality to this that isn't there. I have never stated that my freedom is hanging on this right. I have stated that this is just another right that men are willing to eschew in the name of security and that I would prefer the problems that come with freedom rather than the invasion of a government that is not beneficent to save me from myself.

Pretending it is such a simplistic argument can be saved, as you say, for the neophytes.



Again, this is weak. I am always astounded when I see people who believe they are oppressed by government want government to step in constantly, believe that giving up freedom in the name of security will somehow make the government less oppressive.

This is just another one of those ideas that seems to get people into the frame of mind that government is a solution to all that ails man. Government is a tool, and it should be used properly. It seems that some people believe that the same tool used to oppress them is the only proper tool to do the opposite, and I find that astoundingly simplistic and utterly foolish. If you give the government the power to oppress others in the name of "security" it does nothing to remove the oppression already there.



Yet I do live in that world, and I believe that giving the government that supports that still more power is not only a poor solution, it is equivalent to using a hammer to shape glass.



Again. I do live in this world, even if you want to pretend that my argument to stop putting people in prison to fight a losing "War on Drugs" wouldn't change that particular reality or isn't aimed toward the ending of punishing people for simply being people.

I grow tired of people saying, "You just don't live there so you can't know."

It's plain idiotic self-aggrandizing rubbish. I may never know what it is like to have a child come from a womb, but I can certainly understand that it hurts without having to experience it. I may never experience somebody looking down on me because I am black, but I can certainly understand that it is unjustified and that it hurts. It could be possible that I've had somebody look down on me because of my "race" but then you couldn't possibly know that, you just assume that I am somehow comfortable in a place that I could never be found except as a prisoner.



Even in your world? You think Ruby Ridge is my world? Really?

Just astounding. Simply and utterly astounding. You are so wrong I don't even know where to start. One thing that I know, even the most intelligent can still be oppressed and ruled by government when it is wielded in a way that government becomes the "giver of rights". That is a recipe for elitism and oppression all you have to add is the power and a bit of fear.

The main reason I like to protect Rights and Freedoms, even ones that people want to give up because they are "unsafe", is the truism:

An ounce of prevention beats a pound of cure.
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I like you brother .. I really do .. even if sometimes you don't know what the hell you're talking about. :)

Guess what ended slavery? .. Government.

Guess what ended Jim Crow? .. Government.

Guess what protects the relative "freedom" blacks have in America today? .. Government.

Guess what protects the rights of the elderly, women, children, and the handicapped? .. Government.

Government is neither all good nor all bad. It is the mechanism that keeps this nation together whether you agree with it or not. Thus, in my opinion, Americans should spend more time creating better government, less time playing with toys. But that's just what I think.

If our government is bad, guess whose fault that is? Re-read the Declaration of Independence. It states very clearly whose fault that is.

You do not live in a reality where any casual encounter with the police may result in the death of your 18 year-old excellent student son. You can imagine what it's like, but you don't live that reality. You can imagine having a baby, but you can't have one, thus there are different realities and perspectives that we all have to deal with .. and the mechanism that brings order to those varying realities is government.

Our government is only as smart as we are.

Jewish people are brilliant at manipulating government because they understand its nature more than anybody in my opinion. They use money as a weapon and today they virtually own the American government. Israel could kill the Pope and American politicians wouldn't make a peep.

I do not share your concepts of freedom and liberty and I do not share your perspectives on how they should be preserved .. however, I do respect your thoughts .. just sharing my own.

I'm a socialist brother .. I view society through the prism of the collective good.
 
Darla said:
No not at all. I just never think anyone is going to break in here. One day last week, during broad daylight, while I was posting here, I kept hearing these crazy noises, and I thought someone was in my attic. I live in a condo. I kept getting up and looking, but I didn't see anything. It ended up the maintenance guys were cleaning the gutters on the roof. That was the only time since I have lived here I ever thought of someone breaking in.
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I'm an old school romantic my sister. I still feel like men should protect and look out for women, even if they don't need protecting or want it.

I may never grow up. :)
 
blackascoal said:
I'm an old school romantic my sister. I still feel like men should protect and look out for women, even if they don't need protecting or want it.

I may never grow up. :)
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This is exactly the way I feel. Luckily my wife feels the same way so we get along just fine. Certain things are my (the man) job and certain things are hers. Protection.....that's one of mine.
 
blackascoal said:
I like you brother .. I really do .. even if sometimes you don't know what the hell you're talking about. :)

Guess what ended slavery? .. Government.
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Guess what ended slavery? The lives of many who fought to end it. They took up arms.

Guess what brought it? Government.

Guess what ended Jim Crow? .. Government.
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Again, only through the example of individual sacrifice did the government take that "power" away from itself. Government didn't just "do" that. The only way to guarantee oppression is to remove the power of individuals to fight it.

Guess what protects the relative "freedom" blacks have in America today? .. Government.
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See above, same answer as "Jim Crow".

Guess what protects the rights of the elderly, women, children, and the handicapped? .. Government.
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Those wary of government oppression protect those rights, government does nothing without action from "not government" first.

Government is neither all good nor all bad. It is the mechanism that keeps this nation together whether you agree with it or not. Thus, in my opinion, Americans should spend more time creating better government, less time playing with toys. But that's just what I think.
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I said before, government is a tool that should be used properly. Never did I say I don't "agree with it"... Again, this is an attempt to simplify another person's thought process rather than an attempt to learn about it.

If our government is bad, guess whose fault that is? Re-read the Declaration of Independence. It states very clearly whose fault that is.
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It is the fault of people who are no longer wary to protect the rights of the minority.

You do not live in a reality where any casual encounter with the police may result in the death of your 18 year-old excellent student son. You can imagine what it's like, but you don't live that reality. You can imagine having a baby, but you can't have one, thus there are different realities and perspectives that we all have to deal with .. and the mechanism that brings order to those varying realities is government.
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You don't know my reality or where I came from. You assume it wrongly. That is enough.

Our government is only as smart as we are.
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Hence the reason that power is best suited in the hands of the people.

Jewish people are brilliant at manipulating government because they understand its nature more than anybody in my opinion. They use money as a weapon and today they virtually own the American government. Israel could kill the Pope and American politicians wouldn't make a peep.

I do not share your concepts of freedom and liberty and I do not share your perspectives on how they should be preserved .. however, I do respect your thoughts .. just sharing my own.

I'm a socialist brother .. I view society through the prism of the collective good.
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And I view government as a necessary evil that should be strongly and constitutionally limited. While government can be used by the smart society to protect freedoms, it can be used unwisely to limit them, usually because people want to feel "secure" they are often willing to purchase security at the cost of their freedoms.

It is by the exercise of freedoms that we keep government in check and change that which is unjustified.
 
leaningright said:
This is exactly the way I feel. Luckily my wife feels the same way so we get along just fine. Certain things are my (the man) job and certain things are hers. Protection.....that's one of mine.
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Do you think I would have a problem with a man protecting me from a danger?

If you weren't there, your wife would protect your child. I do think that women should know as best as possible how to protect themselves for when the menfolk aren't around, and also, and sadly, in this world we live in sometimes it's our own menfolk we need protecting from. Though, I have never been in that position, and never expect to be.

But I don't have any problem with a man being physically protective.
 
Darla said:
Do you think I would have a problem with a man protecting me from a danger?

If you weren't there, your wife would protect your child. I do think that women should know as best as possible how to protect themselves for when the menfolk aren't around, and also, and sadly, in this world we live in sometimes it's our own menfolk we need protecting from. Though, I have never been in that position, and never expect to be.

But I don't have any problem with a man being physically protective.
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No, I haven't gotten that kind of "read" (for lack of a better word) from you. Just agreeing with BAC and throwing some extra stuff in because I like to talk about it. I love my role. I also love teaching my wife to protect herself in my absence. Soon, my son will be taught this as well. Again, to me, it is part of being prepared.
 
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