Time To Recognize Who We Are; Reunite America

PoliTalker said:
That depends on the powers to be.
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& also china........

Thus far they have taken smaller, incremental steps but under the current regime they have started taking bigger steps & pushing back more......

They have American politicians under sanction, a few million Muslims in prison, just took hong kong cause they could & inked the largest trade deal in history.

You would think the great deal maker would have gotten that greatest deal in history?? No, he was the one that got the hill of beans from the Chinese......:palm:

4 more years of this genius @ the helm & we would all be learning Mandarin in our free time.........
 
Hello Bill,

Bill said:
& also china........

Thus far they have taken smaller, incremental steps but under the current regime they have started taking bigger steps & pushing back more......

They have American politicians under sanction, a few million Muslims in prison, just took hong kong cause they could & inked the largest trade deal in history.

You would think the great deal maker would have gotten that greatest deal in history?? No, he was the one that got the hill of beans from the Chinese......:palm:

4 more years of this genius @ the helm & we would all be learning Mandarin in our free time.........
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Mandarin.

Hmmm.

Well, the thing is, China is so vast they never really all adopted one language.

Doesn't seem to be a problem for them. They just keep growing and improving their lifestyles.

(with certain ethnic exceptions)

And we used to be so worried about speaking only English.

I guess the Republican party has moved on to other dog whistle issues...
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Bill,



Mandarin.

Hmmm.

Well, the thing is, China is so vast they never really all adopted one language.

Doesn't seem to be a problem for them. They just keep growing and improving their lifestyles.

(with certain ethnic exceptions)

And we used to be so worried about speaking only English.

I guess the Republican party has moved on to other dog whistle issues...
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China isn't a lot bigger than the USA geographically & much of that is desert & above the tree line......

The reasons they never came under one language was resistance, not geography.. (Writing was the same, pronounced differently=same meaning)

Now everyone is forced to learn the northern dialect, we'll see if they are successful this time..

That is the key the CCP has used to push society in the directions they want them to go & it is so much more effective then the force/violence of the past..
 
Bill said:
China isn't a lot bigger than the USA geographically & much of that is desert & above the tree line......

The reasons they never came under one language was resistance, not geography.. (Writing was the same, pronounced differently=same meaning)

Now everyone is forced to learn the northern dialect, we'll see if they are successful this time..

That is the key the CCP has used to push society in the directions they want them to go & it is so much more effective then the force/violence of the past..
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5 million square miles vs 4 million, yeah, I always thought it was a larger difference.

Well, communism does have it's long term advantages for a nation. I don't think that translates into advantages for people. It certainly stymies creativity and freedom.
 
PoliTalker said:
5 million square miles vs 4 million, yeah, I always thought it was a larger difference.

Well, communism does have it's long term advantages for a nation. I don't think that translates into advantages for people. It certainly stymies creativity and freedom.
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For most of the nation there quality of life, materially is superior to what it was 30 years ago, even twenty..... That is why they are buying in......

Maintaining it is the real task.

Raising/rising expectations need to be met
 
PoliTalker said:
The election is over.

Our nation has been torn apart by very different ideas. Not only do Americans disagree on what our government should do, we don't even agree on basic facts. That is because we now get our information from two entirely different streams of non-overlapping sources.

We are really two nations sharing one government and one land.

If that is not difficult enough, we have a lot of forces seeking to keep this division as polarized as possible, making great profits from whipping up hatred, and dehumanizing 'the other side.'

There is no pretending that we only disagree during election season and then go back to 'normal life' afterwards any more. It's like we are in constant election season and it never ends.

The best thing we can do is recognize that our fellow Americans do not share our beliefs but they do share our country.

We know that we have to live together.

The best thing we can do is to remember that we must share this country, and resign ourselves to accepting that it takes all of us to make America what it is.

Bitter hatred and disrespect is not helpful at all, accomplishes nothing, makes us dysfunctional.

We have big enough differences without adding hatred on top of everything else. We have to try to rise above that.

Our challenge is rediscover respect for one another.

If America is really great then part of that has to mean we respect all Americans. A hateful and bitterly divided nation cannot be great.

David Brooks:

"Well, if ever there was a campaign that was going to be a blowout, I thought this was it. I thought we had an unpopular president that people were ready to get rid of. I expected a large margin. And I was wrong. It's a 2.8 percentage margin nationally.

And so I think what we have learned is that we a very evenly divided nation, two groups of people in non-overlapping universes. For a time, it seemed — and I think people in both camps thought, well, the people on my team could eventually crush the people on the other team, and my team will get to rule.

I think we now have to face reality. That's just never going to happen. The other side is never going to go away. And we have got to find a way to live with each other.

And so, to me, that's the biggest takeaway of where we are right now."

That's the tone of this excellent discussion of where we stand as a nation:

Shields and Brooks on PBS Newshour
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No. Too soon. They need to kneel and kiss ass.
 
PoliTalker said:
The election is over.

Our nation has been torn apart by very different ideas. Not only do Americans disagree on what our government should do, we don't even agree on basic facts. That is because we now get our information from two entirely different streams of non-overlapping sources.

We are really two nations sharing one government and one land.

If that is not difficult enough, we have a lot of forces seeking to keep this division as polarized as possible, making great profits from whipping up hatred, and dehumanizing 'the other side.'

There is no pretending that we only disagree during election season and then go back to 'normal life' afterwards any more. It's like we are in constant election season and it never ends.

The best thing we can do is recognize that our fellow Americans do not share our beliefs but they do share our country.

We know that we have to live together.

The best thing we can do is to remember that we must share this country, and resign ourselves to accepting that it takes all of us to make America what it is.

Bitter hatred and disrespect is not helpful at all, accomplishes nothing, makes us dysfunctional.

We have big enough differences without adding hatred on top of everything else. We have to try to rise above that.

Our challenge is rediscover respect for one another.

If America is really great then part of that has to mean we respect all Americans. A hateful and bitterly divided nation cannot be great.

David Brooks:

"Well, if ever there was a campaign that was going to be a blowout, I thought this was it. I thought we had an unpopular president that people were ready to get rid of. I expected a large margin. And I was wrong. It's a 2.8 percentage margin nationally.

And so I think what we have learned is that we a very evenly divided nation, two groups of people in non-overlapping universes. For a time, it seemed — and I think people in both camps thought, well, the people on my team could eventually crush the people on the other team, and my team will get to rule.

I think we now have to face reality. That's just never going to happen. The other side is never going to go away. And we have got to find a way to live with each other.

And so, to me, that's the biggest takeaway of where we are right now."

That's the tone of this excellent discussion of where we stand as a nation:

Shields and Brooks on PBS Newshour
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:laugh: You're 4 years too late. Try another idea.
 
PoliTalker said:
That depends on the powers to be.
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Have you wondered who has been acting president for the last few months? Trump has not really been doing the job in the past. He appointed judges that the Federalist Society gave him, hundreds of them. But the last few months he has golfed and ignored his job, However, a few days ago 9 powerful civilians employed in the pentagon were replaced. Does anyone think Trump has a clue who they were and what they did? Whose idea was that? Is McConnell doing that. There have been other moves made during the last few weeks. Trump just signed the paperwork at the 10th hole. Who is the president now?
 
Hello Bill,

Bill said:
For most of the nation there quality of life, materially is superior to what it was 30 years ago, even twenty..... That is why they are buying in......

Maintaining it is the real task.

Raising/rising expectations need to be met
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Certainly, they have learned the same thing we are trying to learn.

The most effective economy at raising the average standard of living is a mixture of well-regulated capitalism and socialism.
 
Earl said:
Oh, so now you want to reunite.

After the daily...hourly attacks on the president and his family, you want to reunite.

Perhaps you can “reunite” after cheering the economic loss of millions of Americans and their families caused by the virus from China that China failed to contain.

There will be no reuniting and Biden is not the president-elect.

The Supreme Court has not spoken.
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twump and his mafia family have earned every 'attack' they've received, you pathetic whore.
 
Hello Nordberg,

Nordberg said:
Have you wondered who has been acting president for the last few months? Trump has not really been doing the job in the past. He appointed judges that the Federalist Society gave him, hundreds of them. But the last few months he has golfed and ignored his job, However, a few days ago 9 powerful civilians employed in the pentagon were replaced. Does anyone think Trump has a clue who they were and what they did? Whose idea was that? Is McConnell doing that. There have been other moves made during the last few weeks. Trump just signed the paperwork at the 10th hole. Who is the president now?
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Very interesting perspective.

I wondered if that had to do with this idea of officially declaring the election moot, declaring martial law, suspending the Constitution, and ordering the military to conduct a new election in which, I presume, no mail-in voting would be allowed, and it would just be one national election instead of 50 state elections.

I think that idea is so far-fetched it is pure speculation. Maybe he can replace military advisers but he cannot get generals to execute an unlawful order. They are sworn to protect the Constitution.
 
PoliTalker said:
I think it's like smiling. I noticed a long time ago that lots of people will smile at you if you smile at them first. But if you don't do it first, they won't always do it. So I like to smile first. Most people smile back, but not all. I have to accept that. I have to figure they are too preoccupied or hurting. I just hope my little smile helps in a small way that I will never know. I like seeing lots of smiling faces. It's worth getting the odd grumpy look or indifference.
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Interesting about smiling...folks can't see it now. Masks, you know. I used to just smile and not say anything when a stranger paid a compliment or said something to me that didn't necessarily need a verbal response...sometimes I'd just give a smile and a wink...maybe a wave. Now with the mask wearing people probably think I'm a pervert...just winking. ;)
 
Hello leaningright,

leaningright said:
Interesting about smiling...folks can't see it now. Masks, you know. I used to just smile and not say anything when a stranger paid a compliment or said something to me that didn't necessarily need a verbal response...sometimes I'd just give a smile and a wink...maybe a wave. Now with the mask wearing people probably think I'm a pervert...just winking. ;)
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Yeah, that is a loss about masks I'll be glad to regain when this is all over.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Bill,



Certainly, they have learned the same thing we are trying to learn.

The most effective economy at raising the average standard of living is a mixture of well-regulated capitalism and socialism.
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one advantage they have is inherent in their hierarchy..

& I say advantage, because @ this stage it is~long term is to be seen if it is or a long term hinderance..

Here, in the west & particularly in the USA we have the gumbment over the ppl, & the capitalist/corporations over the gubment........

In China the CCP is over the ppl & the corporations & those that run them....... Most of the higher ups, are actually part of the party & serve @ the convenience of that party-they can be removed, demoted~jailed & publicly humiliated @ any time via the discretion of the party......

Here they will die of old age long before their appeals etc are exhausted. They can crash the world economy & their companies pay fines & they get bonuses.
 
leaningright said:
Interesting about smiling...folks can't see it now. Masks, you know. I used to just smile and not say anything when a stranger paid a compliment or said something to me that didn't necessarily need a verbal response...sometimes I'd just give a smile and a wink...maybe a wave. Now with the mask wearing people probably think I'm a pervert...just winking. ;)
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and I cant hear what they are saying muffled under the mask -i do a lot of nodding my head
just to end the torturous exchange
 
PoliTalker said:
I am a Democrat and I am reaching out to my fellow Republican Americans, appealing to you to share mutual respect.

Let us keep the lines if civility open so that we can discuss what's going on in our nation and see what we can agree on to move forward.

I am also reaching out to my fellow Americans on the left to accept that we live in a very divided America, that hatred and animosity should not be shown to our fellow Americans.

We are all in this together.

We must find our way forward together.

We have to stop fighting so we can have meaningful discussion of the important issues we have to try to resolve somehow.

Our challenge is to find a way to agree on the basic facts.

If we don't even agree on the facts, we can never decide what needs to be done about them.
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Give it up, there are no more Republicans or Conservatives, they’ve given their loyalty to a Racist Grifter who’s going to take everything they have, and everything they’ve dreamed of.

Fuck’em
 
Hello Bourbon,

Bourbon said:
Give it up, there are no more Republicans or Conservatives, they’ve given their loyalty to a Racist Grifter who’s going to take everything they have, and everything they’ve dreamed of.

Fuck’em
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Yes, it is a tall order to try to reach out to people who only want to reject any such overtures, but there is no other way forward to reach the goal of a unified nation.

I, for one, am still glad to be an American, happy to live in the USA, and I would like to keep my country.
 
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