Alabama Shooting

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wrong motley. American culture is trying to villify human life itself, with the gaea/environmentalism movement. Elites are convincing inner party members to commit genocide on the proletariat without a second thought.

The Gaia movement? Gaia is an earth goddess (sometimes the earth herself as a goddess). Several pagan faiths, like Wicca, worship Gaia. That does not vilify human life at all. In fact, it celebrates human life.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

The SCOTUS display is of NUMEROUS people and religions. The Roy Moore debacle was of a SINGLE DISPLAY. If you want to claim that they are the same thing, that is up to you. But it is NOT factual. Roy Moore made it the ONLY display, and SCOTUS made it PART of a display in which it is equal with a dozen or so other people. (FYI - the 10 Commandments are not displayed at SCOTUS, per se. The frieze is of Moses holding the 10 Commandments)


The 10 Commandments are from the Old Testament of the Bible. Christians and Jews have them as part of their faith. The 10 Commandments are used in Islam, but they are not exactly the same. In Islam they believe the 10 commandments were corrupted.

Other than those three religions, no one else claims the 10 commandments as part of their faith.

Solitary... you are becoming devoid of logic here. The argument of whether western laws are based partly on the 10 commandments, does not rely on whether the 10 commandments are depicted individually or as part of a collage. You keep trying to make that point, and it doesn't comport with logic. The 10 commandments were indeed a part of the basis for western law... that statement is either true or false, it can't be both, it's impossible for it to be both.

Yes, what is formally known as "The 10 Commandments" are indeed a vital part of both Christian and Jewish faith... so this begs the question, which specific religion was Moore officially establishing? The basic tenants of the 10 Commandments are found in numerous other cultural systems, including the ancient Code of Hammurabi, which predates Christianity. So maybe this was the religion Moore was endorsing? You've not really said, and I don't believe you can, because that was not the intent or purpose of the monument.

You've simply adopted a reaction perpetrated by Atheist scum who want to destroy America by destroying the foundation of our Constitution and freedoms. You think you have some moral basis for this belief, but you really don't. You are taking the position of immorality and against the foundational principles of the Constitution itself. Someone has convinced you that this viewpoint is somehow justified, because... hell... I don't know why.... it's not like America was ever in danger of being overthrown by Baptist wackos! Up until, what? 1954? and Madelyn Murray-O'Hare, we had mandatory (generic) school prayer and devotion. We didn't "indoctrinate" children to be Baptist, Methodist, Jewish, or anything else! We didn't require that students attend church or pray to any specific God or Deity! We didn't spend 8 hours a day, in Bible classes, teaching the Christian beliefs! We simply had a moment of daily devotion and prayer, nothing more. This universal show of respect and reverence for something greater than ourselves, may have been very fundamental in helping to shape the lives of the individuals exposed to it, and to remove that, has caused nothing but problems in our society, with each generation becoming further desensitized to immorality and more inclined to embrace decadence. It is through this prism we see things happen, like what happened in Alabama, and it happens every day in America! It's become common... Columbine... Pearl, MS... Virginia Tech... It's glorified in our music! It's embraced by the counter-culture! It continues to perpetuate itself in our society, as morons like yourself, continue to carry the banner of support for it! And it will continue until it destroys this civilization, like it has destroyed all others. Man can not exist without morality.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Wow, this is a surprise. I shut Dixie down, and instead of admitting he was wrong, he just pretends the debate never existed. This exact thing happened whenever I delivered the final blow to him on 1/3. Even though he's ALWAYS wrong, he NEVER admits he's wrong, even when he's clearly wrong he keeps talking, and whenever even he knows he's been PWNT he tries to pretend nothings happened.

Waterhead, it's because you are on my ignore list. This means your commentary is largely ignored... hence, the name.

You've not shut anything down, except my ability to actually read all your posts. You did this by being an insufferable ass, and not engaging in meaningful debate, and you will stay on my ignore list because you are retarded, and not worthy of my time to respond to your idiocy.

One of these days, when you grow up, perhaps you can contribute to meaningful adult dialogue, and I may reconsider banning you, but until then, you are relegated to posting your ignorance to those who want to read it.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

The Gaia movement? Gaia is an earth goddess (sometimes the earth herself as a goddess). Several pagan faiths, like Wicca, worship Gaia. That does not vilify human life at all. In fact, it celebrates human life.

But in the modern world humanity is considered to be harming gaia the earth spirit with our very existence.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Waterhead, it's because you are on my ignore list. This means your commentary is largely ignored... hence, the name.

You've not shut anything down, except my ability to actually read all your posts. You did this by being an insufferable ass, and not engaging in meaningful debate, and you will stay on my ignore list because you are retarded, and not worthy of my time to respond to your idiocy.

One of these days, when you grow up, perhaps you can contribute to meaningful adult dialogue, and I may reconsider banning you, but until then, you are relegated to posting your ignorance to those who want to read it.

Poor Dixie gawt his feelins hurt.



SOMEONE CALL THE WHHHAAAAAMBULANCE!

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Solitary... you are becoming devoid of logic here. The argument of whether western laws are based partly on the 10 commandments, does not rely on whether the 10 commandments are depicted individually or as part of a collage. You keep trying to make that point, and it doesn't comport with logic. The 10 commandments were indeed a part of the basis for western law... that statement is either true or false, it can't be both, it's impossible for it to be both.

Yes, what is formally known as "The 10 Commandments" are indeed a vital part of both Christian and Jewish faith... so this begs the question, which specific religion was Moore officially establishing? The basic tenants of the 10 Commandments are found in numerous other cultural systems, including the ancient Code of Hammurabi, which predates Christianity. So maybe this was the religion Moore was endorsing? You've not really said, and I don't believe you can, because that was not the intent or purpose of the monument.

You've simply adopted a reaction perpetrated by Atheist scum who want to destroy America by destroying the foundation of our Constitution and freedoms. You think you have some moral basis for this belief, but you really don't. You are taking the position of immorality and against the foundational principles of the Constitution itself. Someone has convinced you that this viewpoint is somehow justified, because... hell... I don't know why.... it's not like America was ever in danger of being overthrown by Baptist wackos! Up until, what? 1954? and Madelyn Murray-O'Hare, we had mandatory (generic) school prayer and devotion. We didn't "indoctrinate" children to be Baptist, Methodist, Jewish, or anything else! We didn't require that students attend church or pray to any specific God or Deity! We didn't spend 8 hours a day, in Bible classes, teaching the Christian beliefs! We simply had a moment of daily devotion and prayer, nothing more. This universal show of respect and reverence for something greater than ourselves, may have been very fundamental in helping to shape the lives of the individuals exposed to it, and to remove that, has caused nothing but problems in our society, with each generation becoming further desensitized to immorality and more inclined to embrace decadence. It is through this prism we see things happen, like what happened in Alabama, and it happens every day in America! It's become common... Columbine... Pearl, MS... Virginia Tech... It's glorified in our music! It's embraced by the counter-culture! It continues to perpetuate itself in our society, as morons like yourself, continue to carry the banner of support for it! And it will continue until it destroys this civilization, like it has destroyed all others. Man can not exist without morality.

For even the most fatal shooting in history, at Virginia Tech, 30 deaths out of millions is statistically insignificant. Again, you have presented no evidence to suggest that shooting are soley a modern phenomena, and until you do, you will stay gladly on my ignore list.

 

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Solitary... you are becoming devoid of logic here. The argument of whether western laws are based partly on the 10 commandments, does not rely on whether the 10 commandments are depicted individually or as part of a collage. You keep trying to make that point, and it doesn't comport with logic. The 10 commandments were indeed a part of the basis for western law... that statement is either true or false, it can't be both, it's impossible for it to be both.

Yes, what is formally known as "The 10 Commandments" are indeed a vital part of both Christian and Jewish faith... so this begs the question, which specific religion was Moore officially establishing? The basic tenants of the 10 Commandments are found in numerous other cultural systems, including the ancient Code of Hammurabi, which predates Christianity. So maybe this was the religion Moore was endorsing? You've not really said, and I don't believe you can, because that was not the intent or purpose of the monument.

You've simply adopted a reaction perpetrated by Atheist scum who want to destroy America by destroying the foundation of our Constitution and freedoms. You think you have some moral basis for this belief, but you really don't. You are taking the position of immorality and against the foundational principles of the Constitution itself. Someone has convinced you that this viewpoint is somehow justified, because... hell... I don't know why.... it's not like America was ever in danger of being overthrown by Baptist wackos! Up until, what? 1954? and Madelyn Murray-O'Hare, we had mandatory (generic) school prayer and devotion. We didn't "indoctrinate" children to be Baptist, Methodist, Jewish, or anything else! We didn't require that students attend church or pray to any specific God or Deity! We didn't spend 8 hours a day, in Bible classes, teaching the Christian beliefs! We simply had a moment of daily devotion and prayer, nothing more. This universal show of respect and reverence for something greater than ourselves, may have been very fundamental in helping to shape the lives of the individuals exposed to it, and to remove that, has caused nothing but problems in our society, with each generation becoming further desensitized to immorality and more inclined to embrace decadence. It is through this prism we see things happen, like what happened in Alabama, and it happens every day in America! It's become common... Columbine... Pearl, MS... Virginia Tech... It's glorified in our music! It's embraced by the counter-culture! It continues to perpetuate itself in our society, as morons like yourself, continue to carry the banner of support for it! And it will continue until it destroys this civilization, like it has destroyed all others. Man can not exist without morality.

The displays in the SCOTUS building are all inclusive displays of the history of law.

Several groups approached Roy Moore asking to put other displays up in the lobby. Some were based on religions and some were based on laws. He allowed neither. And that is the point you are choosing to ignore.

The 10 Commandments gave us 'Thou shalt not kill', and 'Thou shalt not steal'. Those are the only two commandments that translated into laws. So 80% of this list did NOT become law. And you think that justifies putting it as the ONLY monument in the lobby of a courthouse that is to serve people of ALL faiths? That is ridiculous.

If one building had a sign that said "We welcome all white, black, brown, yellow, red and any other colored people", and another said "We welcome all white people.", would you try and argue that they say the same thing???

"We didn't require that students attend church or pray to any specific God or Deity! It was christian prayer. Denying that is ridiculous. Jews were included because we shared the half of the same religious text, and that is it. Every other religion known to man was excluded.

Can you not comprehend that having ONLY Judeo-Christian religious articles excludes every other faith? Is that going to build this happy little utopia you claim was ruined by atheists??


This man in Alabama was a sick fuck who murdered people. Using his actions to further your own agenda is twisted.

But even worse is the fact that you want to blame everyone BUT the one who pulled the trigger. What happened to personal responsibility?

 

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But in the modern world humanity is considered to be harming gaia the earth spirit with our very existence.

Who is claiming this? The pagans that I have known would laugh at such nonsense.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Who is claiming this? The pagans that I have known would laugh at such nonsense.

Environmentalists are always going on about awful humanity and our selfishness. You know it's true. Stop being an intentional dullard.

 

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Environmentalists are always going on about awful humanity and our selfishness. You know it's true. Stop being an intentional dullard.

Environmentalists go on about the damages we do. Some of their claims are valid and some not so valid.

But the pagans that I have known (and there have been many) would laugh at the idea that you think we humans, even with all our pollution, could harm Gaia.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Environmentalists go on about the damages we do. Some of their claims are valid and some not so valid.

But the pagans that I have known (and there have been many) would laugh at the idea that you think we humans, even with all our pollution, could harm Gaia.

Stop lying.

 

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Stop lying.

Haven't started. But I will if you want.

Asshat, you are one of the most profound, deep thinkers I have ever known. I have learned so much from reading your babbling.....I mean, writings.

See? Now that was lying.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Environmentalists are always going on about awful humanity and our selfishness. You know it's true. Stop being an intentional dullard.

Some environmentalists claims are true like global warming and pollution.

Others, like being against genetically modified food, opposition to nuclear power, and their blind acceptance of a lot of pseudoscience is counterproductive.

 

[Topspin]

Hey dixie does the constitution say displaying the koran is not premitted.
You fucking redneck!!!

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Some environmentalists claims are true like global warming and pollution.

Others, like being against genetically modified food, opposition to nuclear power, and their blind acceptance of a lot of pseudoscience is counterproductive.

Global warming is a lie. CO2 is vital gas for plant life.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

The displays in the SCOTUS building are all inclusive displays of the history of law.

Correct! Which INCLUDES the 10 Commandments, of which Roy Moore erected a monument in the Alabama State House. Thanks for admitting the monument was indicative of the founding principles of western law!

Several groups approached Roy Moore asking to put other displays up in the lobby. Some were based on religions and some were based on laws. He allowed neither. And that is the point you are choosing to ignore.

I'm not ignoring that point, it is established in Alabama law that Roy Moore is the individual who gets to decide how to decorate the State House, and he exercised that authority, pursuant to the law.

The 10 Commandments gave us 'Thou shalt not kill', and 'Thou shalt not steal'. Those are the only two commandments that translated into laws. So 80% of this list did NOT become law. And you think that justifies putting it as the ONLY monument in the lobby of a courthouse that is to serve people of ALL faiths? That is ridiculous.

I don't think it justifies having it carted off to a closet, out of public view... no.

If one building had a sign that said "We welcome all white, black, brown, yellow, red and any other colored people", and another said "We welcome all white people.", would you try and argue that they say the same thing???

Please refrain from making inane analogies which do not relate to the topic of discussion. It cheapens the debate and makes you look like a desperate hack... I know you are a desperate hack, but you don't have to make yourself look like one, by trying to invoke some similarity to racial discrimination.

"We didn't require that students attend church or pray to any specific God or Deity! It was christian prayer. Denying that is ridiculous. Jews were included because we shared the half of the same religious text, and that is it. Every other religion known to man was excluded.

Can you not comprehend that having ONLY Judeo-Christian religious articles excludes every other faith? Is that going to build this happy little utopia you claim was ruined by atheists??

No one was ever excluded or told they couldn't worship how they wished, or that they even had to worship at all. It was a moment of devotion and prayer, done in a very generic way, without any dogma attached, without any requirements or pressures, and without violating anyone's rights in any way shape or form.

This man in Alabama was a sick fuck who murdered people. Using his actions to further your own agenda is twisted.

I don't have an agenda. You are right, he was a sick fuck... we are discussing why he might have been such a sick fuck as to do what he did. I think it may have something to do with cronies like you, who have stripped our schools and government of any respect for spiritual belief of any kind, and relegated us to a society devoid of morality.

But even worse is the fact that you want to blame everyone BUT the one who pulled the trigger. What happened to personal responsibility?

I don't blame anyone BUT the guy who pulled the trigger! We are discussing a variety of issues related to WHY he may have pulled the trigger! Some of you want to contend we need stronger gun laws, that was the opening premise of this thread! You didn't agree with that, but your take was, essentially, shit happens, and there isn't much we can do except shrug it off and move on. Perhaps you are right, I don't know... I just think it may be a good time to really examine what we've done with regard to societal morality and instilling ethics in people through education. We didn't seem to be inundated with nutbags blowing people away, back when we had daily devotion and prayer in school, and children were raised to respect life and have some basis for moral decency. It seems this kind of thing keeps happening now, where it didn't happen before, and I think there may be a connection. Surely you are smart enough to understand, if we make an effort to teach our children human decency and morals, they might be less inclined to grow up and be nutbags who do this kind of shit... aren't you? Or, are you just fucking hell bent on taking an Atheistic stand against religion at any and all costs to society? Despite what your common sense tells you here, regardless of what you know and understand, you are just going to bow up and refuse to acknowledge a place in society for teaching and instructing our children regarding morality and ethical conduct... let's just continue to rip, tear and snort at religion and destroy the fabric of society! Is that your position?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

wrong motley. American culture is trying to villify human life itself, with the gaea/environmentalism movement. Elites are convincing inner party members to commit genocide on the proletariat without a second thought.

Oh Pulease. What would you know about environmentalism? I've been working in the environmental field for over 20 years and you are just a delusional paranoid. The environmental field is one of the greatest professions a person can be in. Not only do I make a damned good living but I and other professionals like me make one hell of an impact by reducing waste, increasing efficiency, improving our companies bottom line and in general improving the quality of life in the communities we impact. The environmental professionals of this country are a cross slice of America. We are conservatives, liberals, moderates, Republican, Democrats, Libertarians, straight, gay, religious, secular, etc, etc.

I mean where the hell were you when rivers were catching on fire? Where the hell were you when Gary, Indiana and Pittsburgh, PA were under a perpetual cloud? Where were you when you couldn't breath the air in LA? Where the hell were you when you could have your head up your ass, as you so obviously do, and it would still smell better than Youngstown, Ohio did? We solved those problems often having to overcome the impediment put in place by ignoramuses like you to do so. We cleaned up the Love Canal's and the other Super Fund sites created by the military industrial establishment, often at great personal risk. When's the last time you got off your punk ass and put on a set of Class A's and entered an exclusion zone? You're trying to judge an entire profession and vocation from a handful of kids who've chained themselves to a tree to save a spotted owl with out even having the first foggiest clue what the environmental field is about.

Well the next time you take a drink of water with out fear that it's been contaminated with carbon tetrachloride why don't you come over and tell me your idiotic drivel about environmentalist because dude you are clueless.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

shut up and tell me how to use the damned 3 sea shells already.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Global warming is a lie. CO2 is vital gas for plant life.

This is non-sequitor.

 

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I don't blame anyone BUT the guy who pulled the trigger! We are discussing a variety of issues related to WHY he may have pulled the trigger! Some of you want to contend we need stronger gun laws, that was the opening premise of this thread! You didn't agree with that, but your take was, essentially, shit happens, and there isn't much we can do except shrug it off and move on. Perhaps you are right, I don't know... I just think it may be a good time to really examine what we've done with regard to societal morality and instilling ethics in people through education. We didn't seem to be inundated with nutbags blowing people away, back when we had daily devotion and prayer in school, and children were raised to respect life and have some basis for moral decency. It seems this kind of thing keeps happening now, where it didn't happen before, and I think there may be a connection. Surely you are smart enough to understand, if we make an effort to teach our children human decency and morals, they might be less inclined to grow up and be nutbags who do this kind of shit... aren't you? Or, are you just fucking hell bent on taking an Atheistic stand against religion at any and all costs to society? Despite what your common sense tells you here, regardless of what you know and understand, you are just going to bow up and refuse to acknowledge a place in society for teaching and instructing our children regarding morality and ethical conduct... let's just continue to rip, tear and snort at religion and destroy the fabric of society! Is that your position?

What happened is exceedingly rare. You make it sound as though, people are gunning folks down in the streets because there is no prayer in schools.
It happened back when, and it happens now. The difference is the coverage of the events. Charles Whitman went to a christian school and he still climbed into that clock tower and murdered 14 people and injured more than that.

I am not bowing up and taking any atheistic stand. Why is it that a person has to either want religion in schools or they are an atheist hell-bent on destroying paradise? That sort of black & white thinking is ridiculous.

Who is ripping, tearing, or snorting at religion? I am not against religion. I am against forced religion. And it was not generic prayer or meditation back in the day. It was the Lord's Prayer. That is solely a christian prayer. Nothing wrong with that in church. In fact, I will fight for your right to recite it in church. But not in public schools.





And there is a profound difference between representing a single religion (as in what Roy Moore did) and representing a variety of beliefs and historical figures. You are smart enough to know that, but too stubborn to admit it.