Is an egg a chicken?

ExpressLane said:
After it was announced she was going to be in charge of the border situation about four days later she announced she was only going to negotiate with foreign leaders about immigration and would not be working on the border situation. I think she realized this has the potential of killing her chances in 2024.
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she was specifically chosen because everyone knew she had no chance in 2024.......even the California demmycrats who sent her to Senate wouldn't vote for her.....
 
Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
Ok, lol.

You see this question on an embryology quiz: A fertilized chicken egg is _____?

A) breakfast

B) a salamander

C) a chicken in an early stage of development

D) none of the above
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That's a loaded question.

How about this one?

A fertilized chicken egg is _____?

A) viable

B) a salamander

C) a chicken

D) none of the above

Now, what's the correct answer?
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Darth,



That's a loaded question.

How about this one?

A fertilized chicken egg is _____?

A) viable

B) a salamander

C) a chicken

D) none of the above

Now, what's the correct answer?
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A) is the correct answer but only in the sense it’s the best answer of the four. Viable only means it’s alive—a living organism. Or viable as distinct from non-viable. It’s uninformative in that sense.

A precise answer would be is ‘it’s a chicken in a very early stage of development’. That’s why the chicken vs egg thing is a false dilemma: chickens don’t appear out of the air from eggs—they develop over time.

The chicken began to exist at a precise moment in time—at the moment the egg was fertilized. It’s basic, fundamental biology, that no one questions *until* we start talking about human fertilization and developmental biology.

Then the word games begin.
 
Darth Omar said:
A) is the correct answer but only in the sense it’s the best answer of the four. Viable only means it’s alive—a living organism. Or viable as distinct from non-viable. It’s uninformative in that sense.

A precise answer would be is ‘it’s a chicken in a very early stage of development’. That’s why the chicken vs egg thing is a false dilemma: chickens don’t appear out of the air from eggs—they develop over time.

The chicken began to exist at a precise moment in time—at the moment the egg was fertilized. It’s basic, fundamental biology, that no one questions *until* we start talking about human fertilization and developmental biology.

Then the word games begin.
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What exactly does "living" mean?
 
AProudLefty said:
What exactly does "living" mean?
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Generally, if it’s metabolizing nutrients it’s living but the precise definition can be slippery because of viruses and etc. Biologists probably prefer ‘viable’ for that reason but even that can be confusing because healthy tissue/organs are ‘viable’ but ‘living’ is generally only applied to whole organisms. Only whole organism are said to be ‘alive’.

In surgery, they excise non-viable tissue and stop excising it at the exact point where it becomes viable. If I said “that tissue looks alive” the doc would give me a weird look lol. In practice, you just wouldn’t say something like that because people aren’t trained to think that way in the health sciences.

By no means is out of bounds to say a human embryo is a living human organism. Or simply, a human. In fact, it’s entirely accurate.
 
Darth Omar said:
Generally, if it’s metabolizing nutrients it’s living but the precise definition can be slippery because of viruses and etc. Biologists probably prefer ‘viable’ for that reason but even that can be confusing because healthy tissue/organs are ‘viable’ but ‘living’ is generally only applied to whole organisms. Only whole organism are said to be ‘alive’.

In surgery, they excise non-viable tissue and stop excising it at the exact point where it becomes viable. If I said “that tissue looks alive” the doc would give me a weird look lol. In practice, you just wouldn’t say something like that because people aren’t trained to think that way in the health sciences.

By no means is out of bounds to say a human embryo is a living human organism. Or simply, a human. In fact, it’s entirely accurate.
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Living human organism, or as you stated, simply a human is vastly different from a human being.
 
AProudLefty said:
Living human organism, or as you stated, simply a human is vastly different from a human being.
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Ok lol.

Let me guess, the best definition of ‘human being’ is the one that keeps abortion from being murder.

Amiright?

Also, you crossed the ethical Rubicon with ‘simply a human’ whether you are aware of it or not.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
If it is, it's still not a chicken.
That's the point.
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Inside the egg is an embryonic chicken if it is fertilized, that's simple science. You learned this in 5th grade. Shoot, we learned it in Kindergarten when we hatched about 2 dozen chickens in the classroom using an incubator and learned how the chicken was growing inside the egg.
 
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Darth Omar said:
Ok lol.

Let me guess, the best definition of ‘human being’ is the one that keeps abortion from being murder.

Amiright?

Also, you crossed the ethical Rubicon with ‘simply a human’ whether you are aware of it or not.
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Is a human baby born without a brain a "human being"? It is 100% a living human organism.

It's a real phenomenon, you know? Like anencephaly for example. There's nobody home.
 
AProudLefty said:
Is a human baby born without a brain a "human being"? It is 100% a living human organism.

It's a real phenomenon, you know? Like anencephaly for example. There's nobody home.
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Oh they have a brain but it is underdeveloped. If the had ZERO brain they would never be born alive at all.
 
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