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Your stock is up today, still aren't happy ;(
BAC'S boy chavez stealing more companies
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The situation must not be that bad, from what I have just been reading on Google news, Chevron is still seeking contracts with Chavez...Chevron has stated its assets are safe, so the bitching seems to be for nothing! Chavez is looking for cost cutting.
The situation must not be that bad, from what I have just been reading on Google news, Chevron is still seeking contracts with Chavez...Chevron has stated its assets are safe, so the bitching seems to be for nothing! Chavez is looking for cost cutting.
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Do you know if you quote under the message you don't have to use it!
I guess that is just too difficult for you to figure out?
Stupedo!
I guess that is just too difficult for you to figure out?
Stupedo!
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They are still dealing with Chavez and like his money!
blackascoal
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Absolutely .. as he should be.
He's now starting to divert resources into building a sustainable economy outside of the oil industry .. as he should be. More importantly, the profits are not going into his pocket, but towards the future of his nation.
His people are happy, Chevron is happy, where's the problem?
All this rancor is simply knee-jerk reaction to the word "Chavez."
It's programming.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Yeah, coupled with this tidbit, you can understand why this is a current problem...but not unsolvable
http://origin.foxnews.com/wires/2008Jan19/0,4670,VenezuelaChavezBanks,00.html
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DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
No I don't agree with nationalism- I believe in freedom. Don't you?
Topspin
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uneducated moron
Topspin
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It's me just yanking your chain for supporting socialism
he is nationalizing (stealing) other industries assets as well.
Would you be ok with Obama nationalizing your company for 40% of it's market value? I seriously doubt it.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Brother, I'm a socialist. If there were rational reasons in the best interests of society why my company would be taken over, I might applaud it.
You operate from the perspective that money is God .. I do not my chain-yanking friend. I do not see me or my business more important that society .. AND if my business was taken over for any reasons, I have the capacity and intelligence to create revenue in other ways .. just as I did when I decided to create this business in the first place because of the stress of the corporate Senior DBA world.
For me, money is a tool, it is not God, I do not worship at its alter.
Your arguments fly in the face of the truth that life in Venezuela has gotten much better for the whole of the population. THAT is my concern, not the business interests of the few.
I would probably have gone about the takeovers a bit differently if they were deemed necessary, but I'm not Venezuelan and do not know it's history enough to determine exactly how it should have be done.
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
Yes, we should return to the pre-Commercial Revolution period when money was the root of evil and our lives were so much more pure.
And therein lies the problem with the liberal mindset....the fallacy that...
The end justifies the means.....
This belief in itself makes liberals a menace to a society that governs itself by laws...laws that are meant for everyone without exception....
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Congress Moves to End Chevron's Myanmar Operations
October 25, 2007 3:13 PM
Rt_myanmar1_070927_main Lawmakers are advancing efforts to curtail energy giant Chevron's activities in Myanmar, which are said to provide significant financial support for the ruling military junta. The regime is responsible for recent violence against democracy activists.
Chevron is part of a multi-billion-dollar consortium that extracts and transports natural gas from the country, which has suffered weeks of violence by government troops against Buddhist monks, students and other pro-democracy activists, according to experts and human rights groups.
Much of the ruling junta's financial support comes from the royalties and other revenue paid by Chevron and the other members of the gas operation. The group paid more than $2 billion to the Myanmar government last year, according to the group Human Rights Watch.
U.S. sanctions largely prohibit investment in Myanmar by U.S. companies. Chevron's investment pre-dated the U.S. sanctions, and was grandfathered in by the ban. It is the only major U.S. company remaining in Myanmar.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/10/congress-moves-.html
Some education for you Topspin.
October 25, 2007 3:13 PM
Rt_myanmar1_070927_main Lawmakers are advancing efforts to curtail energy giant Chevron's activities in Myanmar, which are said to provide significant financial support for the ruling military junta. The regime is responsible for recent violence against democracy activists.
Chevron is part of a multi-billion-dollar consortium that extracts and transports natural gas from the country, which has suffered weeks of violence by government troops against Buddhist monks, students and other pro-democracy activists, according to experts and human rights groups.
Much of the ruling junta's financial support comes from the royalties and other revenue paid by Chevron and the other members of the gas operation. The group paid more than $2 billion to the Myanmar government last year, according to the group Human Rights Watch.
U.S. sanctions largely prohibit investment in Myanmar by U.S. companies. Chevron's investment pre-dated the U.S. sanctions, and was grandfathered in by the ban. It is the only major U.S. company remaining in Myanmar.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/10/congress-moves-.html
Some education for you Topspin.
Whomever
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And Chervron in Nigeria:
Oil and injustice in Nigeria
The execution of writer and human rights
campaigner Ken Saro-Wiwa and eight other
activists, (the “Ogoni nine”) on 10 November
1995, raised a storm of outrage across the world.
Their deaths highlighted the suffering of the Ogoni
people in the oil-rich delta of the Niger river. The
Nigerian government was widely denounced and
the oil company Shell condemned for its ambiguous
and belated interventions.
But 10 years later, how much has changed for the
people of the Niger Delta?
Ken Saro-Wiwa fought for an end to the
environmental damage that was turning his homeland
into what he described as a “wasteland”,
endangering the people’s health and livelihoods.
Today oil spills still blacken the land and pollute
the waterways. Hundreds of gas flares burn day
and night, filling the sky with soot and fumes.
Operational practices such as these, so close to
people’s homes, farms and waterways, would
not be tolerated in the countries where the oil
companies have their headquarters.
The inhabitants of the Niger Delta remain among
the most deprived oil communities in the world –
70 per cent live on less than US$1 a day. In spite
of its windfall gains, as global oil prices have
more than doubled in the last two years, the
Nigerian government has failed to provide
services, infrastructure or jobs in the region.
The military government which executed Ken
Saro-Wiwa and his companions was replaced in
1999 by a civilian government. Yet government
security forces continue to kill people in the
Niger Delta with impunity. Excessive force is used
to protect the oil industry and restore law and
order – and the human rights of communities are
regularly violated.
The powerful oil companies operating in the
region are perceived by communities and many
activists on the ground as complicit in past human
rights abuses. Some oil companies have admitted
that their operations have contributed to fuelling
conflict. In recent years, under pressure to
demonstrate corporate responsibility, companies
have developed voluntary codes of conduct, but
these have not been able to reduce the negative
impact of their operations in the region.
“It is like paradise and hell. They have everything.
We have nothing… If we protest, they send
soldiers. They sign agreements with us and then
ignore us. We have graduates going hungry,
without jobs. And they bring people from Lagos
to work here,” says Eghare W.O. Ojhogar, chief of
the Ugborodo community in Delta State.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/business/nigeriareport/NovemberWireArticle.pdf#chevron
Oil and injustice in Nigeria
The execution of writer and human rights
campaigner Ken Saro-Wiwa and eight other
activists, (the “Ogoni nine”) on 10 November
1995, raised a storm of outrage across the world.
Their deaths highlighted the suffering of the Ogoni
people in the oil-rich delta of the Niger river. The
Nigerian government was widely denounced and
the oil company Shell condemned for its ambiguous
and belated interventions.
But 10 years later, how much has changed for the
people of the Niger Delta?
Ken Saro-Wiwa fought for an end to the
environmental damage that was turning his homeland
into what he described as a “wasteland”,
endangering the people’s health and livelihoods.
Today oil spills still blacken the land and pollute
the waterways. Hundreds of gas flares burn day
and night, filling the sky with soot and fumes.
Operational practices such as these, so close to
people’s homes, farms and waterways, would
not be tolerated in the countries where the oil
companies have their headquarters.
The inhabitants of the Niger Delta remain among
the most deprived oil communities in the world –
70 per cent live on less than US$1 a day. In spite
of its windfall gains, as global oil prices have
more than doubled in the last two years, the
Nigerian government has failed to provide
services, infrastructure or jobs in the region.
The military government which executed Ken
Saro-Wiwa and his companions was replaced in
1999 by a civilian government. Yet government
security forces continue to kill people in the
Niger Delta with impunity. Excessive force is used
to protect the oil industry and restore law and
order – and the human rights of communities are
regularly violated.
The powerful oil companies operating in the
region are perceived by communities and many
activists on the ground as complicit in past human
rights abuses. Some oil companies have admitted
that their operations have contributed to fuelling
conflict. In recent years, under pressure to
demonstrate corporate responsibility, companies
have developed voluntary codes of conduct, but
these have not been able to reduce the negative
impact of their operations in the region.
“It is like paradise and hell. They have everything.
We have nothing… If we protest, they send
soldiers. They sign agreements with us and then
ignore us. We have graduates going hungry,
without jobs. And they bring people from Lagos
to work here,” says Eghare W.O. Ojhogar, chief of
the Ugborodo community in Delta State.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/business/nigeriareport/NovemberWireArticle.pdf#chevron
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Originally Posted by Southern Man
To intelligent folks, the words "seize" and "takeover" have a simple interpretation. You're not intelligent.....you STILL cannot produce any evidence of "theft". I'll dumb it down for you......you have to produce evidence that the legal procedures in Venezuela for nationalization were not followed, and/or that the owners of said businesses woke up one morning and suddenly found their themselves kicked to the curb. It's not about whether you agree with nationalizaton or not, it's about YOU or the other genius logically proving theft in the literal sense.
http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher...582332&start=5
Yeah, coupled with this tidbit, you can understand why this is a current problem...but not unsolvable
http://origin.foxnews.com/wires/2008...zBanks,00.html
Sorry, but waving the flag and jingoistic posting won't counter the FACT that I gave you infromation which shows that Chavez's policies are not perfect, but not unattainable. Are you aware that in America there is a policy of "imminent domain"...where if a corporation/company can prove to city/state officials that they can turn major profit, then they can literally move you out of your house (with a nominal payoff to you). YOU DON"T HAVE A CHOICE, but it's LEGAL. So again, if you or anyone else can show me where Chavez's gov't didn't follow Venezuelan legal procedure in nationalizing those companies, then please do. Otherwise, the accusation of "theft" is unfounded.
To intelligent folks, the words "seize" and "takeover" have a simple interpretation. You're not intelligent.....you STILL cannot produce any evidence of "theft". I'll dumb it down for you......you have to produce evidence that the legal procedures in Venezuela for nationalization were not followed, and/or that the owners of said businesses woke up one morning and suddenly found their themselves kicked to the curb. It's not about whether you agree with nationalizaton or not, it's about YOU or the other genius logically proving theft in the literal sense.
http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher...582332&start=5
Yeah, coupled with this tidbit, you can understand why this is a current problem...but not unsolvable
http://origin.foxnews.com/wires/2008...zBanks,00.html
Sorry, but waving the flag and jingoistic posting won't counter the FACT that I gave you infromation which shows that Chavez's policies are not perfect, but not unattainable. Are you aware that in America there is a policy of "imminent domain"...where if a corporation/company can prove to city/state officials that they can turn major profit, then they can literally move you out of your house (with a nominal payoff to you). YOU DON"T HAVE A CHOICE, but it's LEGAL. So again, if you or anyone else can show me where Chavez's gov't didn't follow Venezuelan legal procedure in nationalizing those companies, then please do. Otherwise, the accusation of "theft" is unfounded.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Are you high?
Been visiting the moon the last 8 years maybe?
Are you even remotely aware of how Americans and planet earth view conservatives and the Republican Party?
Does the word "irrelevant" ring any bells .. because that's exactly where your side of the fence sits today. Totally and completely IRRELEVANT.
... wow, talk about out of touch with reality.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
My brother .. you should save your "Jah" persona for someone who doesn't know the Rastafarian movement. You do not even know what Jah represents.
You worship money. It is your God. You are the epitome of everything Jah stands against.
Do you even know Haile Selassie, Leonard Howell, Marcus Garvey, Walter Rodney?
Do you know what is meant by Babylon? YOU, my brother, are Babylon. You worship corporations. Rastafarians .. real ones .. stand against Babylon.
Your opinion of me is every bit as flawed of your perception of the Rastafarian movement .. which you see as nothing more than an excuse to smoke weed.
Between tokes, try finding out what you claim to believe.