Obama says Police acted stupidly!

[Jeff]

so you're happy with saying 'yes sir' to the nice officer violating your rights because it ends quicker?

Not happy at all, but usually they aren't violating my rights either, seems most of the older cops are usually decent if you are to them, the young ones get shitty, but asking me in a nasty tone for ID isn't violating my rights,

The professor could of kept his calm and with Obama in his corner really raised some shit then

But this is all could of should of at this point, my point was a President ought not be criticizing the police until he has proof in his hands

 

[TuTu Monroe]

A question he didn't know all the facts about, hmmm I think he said that him self, LOL

For a President to criticize the police without all the facts is stupid, well to most people anyway

Obama is a very intelligent human being he knew not to comment without all the facts, but as BAC posted he is starting to look like a pussy to the black race so he jumped on this to pull himself up, that isn't good no matter how ya cut it

For someone who is supposedly very intelligent, the remarks Obama made, were absolutely stupid and beneath the presidency.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Not happy at all, but usually they aren't violating my rights either, seems most of the older cops are usually decent if you are to them, the young ones get shitty, but asking me in a nasty tone for ID isn't violating my rights,

simply asking for ID is not violating your rights, even if done in a nasty way. The issue here would be 'does he have reasonable articulate suspicion' that you HAVE, ARE, or GOING TO commit a crime before he asks. If he doesn't, and you refuse to comply, then arresting or harrassing you is a violation of your rights.

 

[Cancel5]

simply asking for ID is not violating your rights, even if done in a nasty way. The issue here would be 'does he have reasonable articulate suspicion' that you HAVE, ARE, or GOING TO commit a crime before he asks. If he doesn't, and you refuse to comply, then arresting or harrassing you is a violation of your rights.

Stopping you for no reason is harassment. I ask and ask if I am under arrest, if not, I leave.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

the racist are out defending the racist cops on this one.
The cop still wasn't happy after showing the first ID, Prof shows him another yets still gets hauled in.
No way this happens to a 60 yr old white guy, just like the black 65yr old beaten by the Nawlins cops.

Once again, you racist dumbass, he was not arrested for SHOWING his ID.
He was arrested because he acted like a dumbass, kind of the way you're doing now.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I'm a racist dumbass

Fixed your post for you.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

that is certainly an option, though I do not believe they can do that arbitrarily. As I had said in another post, if you're name is uncommon and verifiable via radio, they will let you go. If your name is john smith, you'll probably be enjoying their company for a bit.

They are not going to release you, until it can be proved who you are.

For some funny reason those who don't want to get caught by the Police, tend to use false names and sometimes they use the names of innocent people.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

This whole notion that you can be arrested for disorderly conduct in your own home for saying stuff to the police that they take offense to is simply ridiculous and has been rejected by the courts time and time again as ridiculous.

Once again, for the reading impaired:

HE DID NOT GET ARRESTED FOR DISORDERLY CONDUCT IN HIS FUCKING HOME

There, did that help??

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

OBAMA ACTED STUPIDLY!

 

[USFREEDOM911]

He was either in his home or on his porch. Where do you contend he was arrested?

Show your proof that he was "either in his home or on his porch"??

 

[USFREEDOM911]

so you LIKE ghestapo type behavior.
No fucking crime was committed that's why he was let go.

You asswipe.
People are "let go" all the time.
It doesn't mean that they really didn't do anything; because most of the time it's not worth the expense to chase the case, or the person finally stopped being stupid and apologized for being stupid.

 

[Damocles]

OBAMA ACTED STUPIDLY!

LOL.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Anybody who feels wronged by cops has the right to be shitty .. and last I looked, being shitty is not against the law. There is nothing holy about cops.

Question: Do police get arrested for yelling and swearing at citizens?

If your argument is there is no racism by police and police departments .. you're in desperate need of another argument.

Police officers ROUTINELY abuse non-white citizens.

Are you proposing that there aren't people in society, that go out of their way to try and irritate the Police; which is what I think occured in this case.
Then after the hammer falls, they finally realize that they fucked up.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Go read the police report.

Gates was arrested at HIS house.

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, that's probably because that's where the incident was occuring.
Which has nothing to do to prove that he was arrested IN his house.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Its not your responsability to prove it. You have the right to remain silent, you do not have to prove anything.

You do when someones reported that they have observed what they believe to be a break in.

Tell you what, why don't you try it.

Go home and leave the door open.
Have someone report a break in, at your home, from a pay phone and don't tell them who's calling.
When the Police show up, play out the scenario exactly as you've suggested.

I'm sure there's enough of us here, to help raise your bail.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Not in your own home. And even in Alabama, if a cop does not have a reason to ask for your id, you do not have to provide it. They might can arrest you for loidering... But what are they going to arrest you for if you politly say, no, and keep walking...?

Failure to follow the lawful request of a Law Officer.

Try it and let everyone know how it worked out; that is, unless you just lie about it and try to say you did it.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

A 60 year-old man who walks with a limp with a limo in his driveway hardly makes a good burgulry suspect .. and when Gates produced his ID the cop should have apologized and left the mans home.

They would first need the ID to prove that the Limo was his.
And are you suggesting that 60 year old men, wth a limp, can't be criminals.

 

[tinfoil]

He should not have weighed in on an issue he himself admitted he does not know about.

Maybe a more fair answer would have been, I dont know the specifics of this situation, but I am against racial profiling and if thats what happened, I am against it.

Nahhh, he had to side the black man or the entire black community would call him an uncle tom.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Failure to follow the lawful request of a Law Officer.

the police may not arbitrarily stop someone and demand ID. This violates the 4th Amendment right against illegal search and seizure. any demand for an ID out of thin blue air is not a lawful order and may be ignored once you establish that you're not being detained.

Try it and let everyone know how it worked out; that is, unless you just lie about it and try to say you did it.

I have done this and have been successful without getting arrested. I have several acquaintances who have also done this and ended up teaching that particular police officer a valuable lesson about the 4th Amendment.

 

[blackascoal]

They would first need the ID to prove that the Limo was his.
And are you suggesting that 60 year old men, wth a limp, can't be criminals.

I'm suggesting that a 60 year old man with a limp is an improbable suspect for breaking into a home in broad daylight where everybody that passes by can see him.

It would take about 2 minutes to prove the home was his, he was a college professor, and that the limo was not stolen.

That's what I'm suggesting.