Debunking Covid stupidity part one: Vaccines DO slow the spread

[Celticguy]

so does washing your hands and far better

 

[Hawkeye10]

myocarditis caused by vaxxing at the rate detected of 1 in 7000 for young men
and that's just the reported cases!

And that is just the immediate cases....what happens over the next decades? ANY sort of heart damage because of the jabs is likely to remove life, maybe a lot.

The Max Vax Program is beyond reckless, it is a nice window into how shit we have become.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Then WHY do people do it? Why do they engage in this constant SILLY futility? Are they just flat out STUPID or what? Or is it fun for them in some sick little sort of way? Either way,.....its all very stupid IMO.

Hey! I have 2 friends that are special needs teachers and they are beautiful, caring people. They took extra courses just to do that.

Both are really beautiful and very different in looks..

 

[Matt Dillon]

How do they end the retarded people?

They don't, unless they want to enact a program similar to Aktion T-4. That would not fly in America.

In America we have Shriners and Ronald McDonald houses.

Of which ANTIFA barricaded the doors of and tried to burn one down.

 

[McRocket]

Thats nice. Then those who want to be vaccinated should do so,....those that do not should not. Constantly hammering people to death about it accomplishes NOTHING. Those who want to be jabbed have already done it. Those who do not NEVER will and all the hammering, cramming, begging, bitching moaning and insulting will not add one single soul to the vaccinated list. In fact it may even make those on the fence/leaning NO even less likely. But whatever makes you feel better I guess. Myself,....I am not into futile endeavors. They are merely a waste of everyone's time.

The post of this thread, so far...IMO.

Well said.

 

[anatta]

And that is just the immediate cases....what happens over the next decades? ANY sort of heart damage because of the jabs is likely to remove life, maybe a lot.

The Max Vax Program is beyond reckless, it is a nice window into how shit we have become.

we need to go back to vaxxing the vulnerable and making it available for others
no mandates -it's my body- let me choose

 

[McRocket]

The primary reason I'm here. To learn just how fucking stupid they are so I'm prepared when I meet them in the real world. And to hammer home the point that they don't give a fuck about anyone else, so I shouldn't give a fuck about them.

What a load of self-righteous excrement.

Read this definition, please:
https://edu.gcfglobal.org/en/thenow/what-is-trolling/1/

The fucking reason you are here CLEARLY is to TROLL.
Not learn...but troll.
In this thread alone?
You have posted at least a dozen, ad hominem attacks on people. Possibly two.
In one fucking thread.
Usually calling them 'stupid' in various ways.
Fuck...even your insults seem to lack originality or diversity.

That is not learning, hypocrite.
That is trolling...DUH!!!

You come here to do one thing and one thing only...TROLL!!!

So you can try and feel better about yourself.
Because NO ONE whom is a decent human being trolls like you do.

 

[Into the Night]

This is simple math.

Nah. You are denying math, yet again.

Let's take a look at an example using the Delta variant:

There is no such thing as a 'Delta variant'. You can't have a variant of a variant.

Vaccinated people are five times less likely to be infected with the Delta variant.

Random number. Argument from randU fallacy.

This is a fact. If you don't accept it as fact, please skip posting here and pick up a book instead.

Not a fact. Learn what 'fact' means. It does not mean 'math', 'proof', nor 'Universal Truth'. Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm

False authority fallacy. The government is not God.

The R0 of Delta with no mitigation factors is somewhere around 5-7, let's go with five for this exercise:

https://academic.oup.com/jtm/article/28/7/taab124/6346388

Argument from randU fallacy. Attempted proof by randU. Attempted proof by false authority.

Okay, now lets start. 200 people are exposed to a person the Delta variant, 100 are vaccinated, 100 are unvaccinated. Given the delta and the efficacy of the vaccines:

7 unvaccinated people will get the variant
2 vaccinated people will get the variant (I'm erring on the side of caution, it's actually less than two)

If the group had been 100 percent vaccinated, 3 people would have gotten the virus, instead of nine. Each iteration increases the infection exponentially. This is simple math. Three is less than nine. Therefore vaccines slow the spread. If enough people are vaccinated, and additional mitigation is used, the R0 will quickly drop below 1.

Math errors: Failure to select by randN. Failure to normalize by paired randR. Failure to declare and justify variance. Failure to calculate and publish margin of error. Failure to publish raw data. Failure to declare data bias mitigation. Attempted proof by contrivance.

Any questions? If you are having trouble understanding, see the teacher for assignment to the remedial window licker class.

Insult fallacy.

Sorry dude, you cannot form a proof by contrivance or by ignoring statistical mathematics.

 

[Into the Night]

This forum is one of the few places left where misinformation and outright lies about the virus and the vaccines are allowed by management. I think that's why we see so many of the drooling Reichtards still pushing their bullshit.

Nah. You can find lies about covid19 from the CDC and most newspapers and TV stations.

Thankfully they are only endangering themselves and the occasion credulous moron eager to believe them. Eventually almost every unvaxxed person is going to get COVID.

Not getting vaccinated does not mean infection, dumbass. A vaccine does not prevent infection either.

The only question is whether they were get "lucky" and just get one of the milder variants, or will they pick up one of the more virulent strains.

You cannot have a variant of a variant. Buzzword fallacy.

The only ones I feel sorry for are their family members they infect.

Paradox V:
1) You took the vaccine to protect you from covid19.
2) You demand me to take the vaccine because your vaccine doesn't work.

 

[Into the Night]

You think telling the truth is being "snarky"?

Being snarky is not telling the truth. Attempted proof by insult.

 

[Into the Night]

I guess you want it to spread at warp speed because fuck you that's why?

Contextomy fallacy. Try to stay on topic.

 

[Into the Night]

Remedial signups are on the right. Start with looking up the definitions of 'slow' and 'stop'

Smallpox vaccines were not 100% effective. Have you had smallpox?

Thanks.

False equivalence fallacy. Compositional error fallacy. Covid19 is not smallpox.

 

[Into the Night]

Probably not. See how the teaching goes in special needs classes. It's hopeless.

Insult fallacy. Bigotry. Trolling. No argument presented.

 

[Into the Night]

you do understand this virus doesnt stop with herd immunity?

This is correct.

it's a SARS type virus -same as the common cold.

No. The Covid/SARS series is not the rhinovirus series. The ONLY similarity is that they are both a virus series.

cant vaxx it away, cant mask it away, can't lockdown it away

This is all true. Vaccinations do not prevent infections, masks are completely ineffective against viruses, and and airborne virus is not going to be affected by lockdowns.

Therapeutic are how we "learn to cope" along with vaxxing - but it's gonna spread thru populations no matter what we do. thats the history of COVID

The history of any virus, actually!

 

[Concart]

we need to go back to vaxxing the vulnerable and making it available for others
no mandates -it's my body- let me choose

Everyone is free to choose. Everyone is responsible for the consequences of their choice. Pretty simple stuff, even for a fucking moron like you.

 

[Into the Night]

There is no evidence that COVID-19 was bioengineered.

Yes there is. Denial of history. You can't make evidence disappear by wishing, dude.

 

[AProudLefty]

Yes there is. Denial of history. You can't make evidence disappear by wishing, dude.

 

[Into the Night]

Your "question" is wrong on several points. No virus stops with herd immunity. They are slowed by herd immunity. By definition, members of the herd can still get the disease, and even spread it to other members of the herd, but there are no major outbreaks possible. So even if we had herd immunity, it would not mean that the virus would not be dangerous.

Covid19 is not particularly dangerous. It is the mildest variant of the Covid/SARS series so far discovered. NONE of them kill.

Covid-19's problem is not that herd immunity does not work, but that herd immunity is not sustainable.

Paradox. Which is it, dude?

Covid-19 immunity, especially natural immunity, fades quickly, which makes getting herd immunity very difficult.

Once you recover from any virus, you are immune to that virus for life. It does not fade.

There are a whole bunch of viruses that can cause the common cold,

Thousands.

but not "SARS type" viruses.

Correct. A cold is not caused by a variant of of the Covid/SARS series.

The most common cause is a rhinovirus,

The ONLY cause is rhinovirus.

which is a totally different group of viruses from Covid-19.

Correct.

A less common cause are coronaviruses, which would be related to Covid-19.

No. A cold is not caused by any other virus series except rhinovirus.

Also influenza viruses cause colds,

The influenza series is NOT the rhinovirus series.

which are very treatable with vaccines.

We have no vaccines for most influenza viruses. It's not possible to construct that many vaccines. There are no vaccines for any variant of the rhinovirus series. I suppose you could build one, but what's the point? Like influenza, there are thousands of variants in the series.

Basically, you are wrong on every level.

No, she is correct on most points.

Masks and quarantining have worked against colds.

Masks are completely ineffective against a virus. Lock downs do not stop a virus, particularly an airborne virus. Paradox M.

Antivirals have never been as effective as vaccines, and they certainly do kill people. They are brutal.

Depends on the antiviral drug.

Without herd immunity stopping it from spreading, it will continue to spread over and over again.

Nope. It can't.

You start by saying there is no end to the deaths, remember?

Everyone must die. That includes you.

 

[Into the Night]

In other words, let it run it's course.

BTW, the vaccine reduces the risk of hospitalization. So it is the unvaccinated who are more at risk.

You have no choice. It will run its course.

 

[Into the Night]

I didn't "touch this post of yours" because I have already covered that multiple times. Also it isn't relevant to my point. Caring people want to see people be healthy.

Dancing on people's graves is not caring.