Russian armor closes in on ' fortress ' Kyiv.

moon said:
They parked their armies on the Russian border with the warning- ' we do not intend to invade Ukraine ' What was missing was ' Unless...' That was obvious from the start. Then the Donbas was repeatedly attacked with NATO-supplied weapons by Ukrainian neo-Nazis and then the US initiated ' pre-emptive sanctions '
I don't recall the Russians making any predictionds at all.

Yes, Ukraine should have capitulated on Day One. Now look what NATO has done.
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That was one of the worst posts i have ever read. Ukraine can park their armies anywhere they want. It is their territory. However, they obviously were not on the Russian border. They should have been. What the fuck has NATO done? ...nothing.
 
Nordberg said:
That was one of the worst posts i have ever read. Ukraine can park their armies anywhere they want. It is their territory. However, they obviously were not on the Russian border. They should have been. What the fuck has NATO done? ...nothing.
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You are simply mouthing NATO platitudes. Russia didn't pressure NATO- it was the other way around. Russia asked for its security to be guaranteed- NATO was deaf.

Incidentally- it isn't Ukraine's territory anymore. THAT'S what NATO has done.

Do you ever read a decent newspaper ?
 
moon said:
They parked their armies on the Russian border with the warning- ' we do not intend to invade Ukraine ' What was missing was ' Unless...' That was obvious from the start. Then the Donbas was repeatedly attacked with NATO-supplied weapons by Ukrainian neo-Nazis and then the US initiated ' pre-emptive sanctions ' I don't recall the Russians making any predictionds at all. Yes, Ukraine should have capitulated on Day One. Now look what NATO has done.
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The whole world sees what NATO has done.
 
moon said:
You are simply mouthing NATO platitudes. Russia didn't pressure NATO- it was the other way around. Russia asked for its security to be guaranteed- NATO was deaf. Incidentally- it isn't Ukraine's territory anymore. THAT'S what NATO has done.
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Indeed, so remember this old rhyming saw: Possession equals nine-tenths of the law. Haw......haw............haw.
 
moon said:
Zelensky is a comedian. That's not sarcasm- it's a fact. UKrainians elected a comedian as president.
Geez, Americans only managed a talk-show host.

An older man would have been far more cautious with the lives of his people. They don't enlist youths into the army because they're clever.
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America elected a Joke in 2020.
 
Stone said:
Not much. They will LOOK like something but thats about it. Its not 1912 anymore. Yeah, great idea,....engage armored columns with a little gas in a coke bottle,...that'll show em...:laugh:
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Maybe they will have Javelin missiles and Swedish AT 4s to back them up.
 
Stone said:
Hmmmmmm, hey FBI,...are you seeing THIS?
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Actually, there are very few laws banning explosives, as long as you do not use them in a crime, or in commerce. Commerce is rather expansive sometimes. There was a Youtuber named Myers who got into trouble because he used explosives on his YouTube channel, and got paid by advertisements. That was considered commercial use of explosives.

Anyway, it is not the FBI who investigates such things. It is the ATF.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FPSRussia
 
Stone said:
Hmmmmmm, hey FBI,...are you seeing THIS? Even YOU GUYS cant be this blind. Now why would BUTCH be making explosive devices down in Bumfuck Texas?? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Relax. The only thing Butch Uncle's ever blown is another man.

:magagrin:
 
Stone said:
Giving a 140 pound weakling words of encouragement to fight Mike Tyson while telling him YOU CAN DOOOOOOOOO IT isnt helping anyone but the enemy. In fact its evil when you KNOW all its going to do is get them killed. Which it has. En masse. Modern day leftists are as evil as it gets.
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If Ukraine invaded Russia, and was pressing towards Moscow, you would have a very good point. It did not. Russia invaded Ukraine, and is pressing towards Kyiv. So it is like the alt right gave encouragement to Mike Tyson to attack a 140 pound weakling, not the other way around.

Biden took every opportunity to ask Putin not to start this war, but Putin went ahead.
 
McRocket said:
I doubt molotov cocktails will do much against T-72B tanks
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A molotov cocktail would do no damage to a modern tank, but Russian infantry likes to ride on tanks, and it could [possibly] kill them. I believe molotov cocktails would mostly be used as a distraction to tanks, while anti-tank weapons were used to destroy them. The Russians need careful combinations of infantry and tanks to take out the smaller anti-tank weapons before they destroy the tanks. The Russians have not demonstrated careful strategies of late.
 
Salty Walty said:
Biden took every opportunity to ask Putin not to start this war, but Putin went ahead.
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Salty Walty said:
A molotov cocktail would do no damage to a modern tank, but Russian infantry likes to ride on tanks, and it could [possibly] kill them. I believe molotov cocktails would mostly be used as a distraction to tanks, while anti-tank weapons were used to destroy them. The Russians need careful combinations of infantry and tanks to take out the smaller anti-tank weapons before they destroy the tanks. The Russians have not demonstrated careful strategies of late.
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It that right, Private Partz?
 
McRocket said:
He[Zelenskyy] is just another, selfish politician who is perfectly willing to have tens of thousands of his people killed to save his political skin.
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Zelenskyy is in a city being surrounded by Russians, and being bombed by Russians. More than just his "political skin" is being risked. His actually skin is being risked.

McRocket said:
All Zelenskyy had to do is say to Putin:
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We have been here before. Czechoslovakia was promised that if they pre-surrendered, then Hitler would not invade. All it did was make the invasion easier. Zelenskyy's pre-surrendering would not keep Putin from invading.
 
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