The Car of the Year.............Is Electric. MAGA soils diapers.

[Into the Night]

You're on links state otherwise, Terry.

Why does this upset you so much? You're not being forced to buy one. I'll be driving a gas car for at least the next ten years then I plan to have a nice retirement van take my wife and I wherever we need to go. Why are your knickers in a bunch over people buying EVs?

Stop lying, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

Your paranoia is one reason why you should never be allowed to work in government again, Terry. Your violent hatred is another.

...annnnnnnd back to your insults and made up shit...
Stop making shit up, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

You know that's not true so why do you keep saying it? Does it comfort you somehow?
Trump was president from 2016-2020 when Tesla introduced the Model 3 and Model Y. Both models sold like hot cakes and it is suggested that those two Tesla models started the EV revolution.

There is no 'EV revolution'.

Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.

 

[Into the Night]

You lose then.
We are talking about all of Ford and not just a single car model.

You cannot build an entire mass production line, taking months and months to build and install, and then roll the first cars off the line and expect the entire company to be profitable.

I mean, derps who are stupid can expect that but that is not how things work. the equipment and factory build end up amortized across decades.

Ford has done very well building new models and selling them for a profit. You're making things up again, Kewpie.
Ford has had a few failures too, just like every car manufacture of any size.

Ford is getting out the EV business because it is LOSING MONEY ON THEM.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

You lose then.
We are talking about all of Ford and not just a single car model.

You cannot build an entire mass production line, taking months and months to build and install, and then roll the first cars off the line and expect the entire company to be profitable.

I mean, derps who are stupid can expect that but that is not how things work. the equipment and factory build end up amortized across decades.

you people are just idiotic chinese suckups.

 

[Into the Night]

No, what you stated is false.

Blatant lie.

Incentives ARE NOT forcing them down people's throats.

Yes they are.

California is the only state that I know of that will mandate EVs in the future.

Argument of ignorance fallacy. New York also made this mandate.

And that's understandable with their smog problem.

The SDTC doesn't have a smog problem. What solved it was the EGR system, a simple piece of plumbing and a valve.

Their car emissions mandates have always been more strict and have been around for decades.

Illegally. Car manufacturers conformed anyway to a certain degree, but they don't sell California emissions cars anywhere else. Cars in California are much more expensive because of those mandates too. NONE of them 'saved the planet' or even California.

You're so damned butthurt over EVs that you have to misrepresent the truth to try to make your point.

You are describing yourself again.

Electric cars are less likely to catch fire than gas cars

Blatant lie.

 

[Into the Night]

More proof you're a RW authoritarian against State's Rights.

Stop making shit up, Sock. States have no rights to fascism or communism.

Remember when Republicans supported State's Rights? I miss those days. Trumpism, as Terry is demonstrating, changed all that along with no longer caring about personal accountability, fiscal responsibility and supporting our nation's military, law enforcement and intelligence services. Sad.

Stop making shit up, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

Naw i prefer to make fun of you magats who say 'high speed internet is not practical as it only exists in the core of big cities' when it first rolled out.

Guys like you and Terry can pretend that is where it ends, because that is all you can see at that moment in time but that is because you are stupid.

That simply is not how new big technology roll outs happen and the EV roll out is EXACTLY following most others. Be smarter.

The internet is not an EV, Kewpie. False equivalence fallacy. The EV is not new technology. It is old technology.

 

[Into the Night]

^^^
Typical Trumper; loves to conflate personal rights with state pollution and economic regulations.

EV mandates are not a 'pollution regulation', and a State does NOT have the right to implement fascism or communism, Sock.

Thanks for tacitly admitting you are an anti-State's Rights authoritarian Trumper, Terry. You've denied being a Trumper before, but you walk like a Trumper and talk like a Trumper so what are people supposed to believe?

Stop making shit up, Sock.

Abortion is a right up to a point.

Murder is not a right, Sock.

The point being where the fetus becomes a human being capable of living on its own.

Murder is not a right, Sock.

I'm fine with 24 week limit but am willing to leave it up to medical experts, not religious wackos or authoritarian fuckwits seeking to subjugate Americans be they women, of non-European descent or disagreeing with authoritarian fuckwits.

So you like government and medical fuckwits instead of religious fuckwits. Gotit.
Bans on abortion does not subjugate anyone, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

I have had a Volt for a long time. My wife smacked it up again and the collision shop gave us a Chevy ICE as a loaner. I had forgotten how bad ICEs are to drive, I cannot wait to get the Volt back. The noise, the acceleration, the feel. ICEs suck,

Not all gasoline cars are built as crappy as a cheap Chevy, Sock.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I have had a Volt for a long time. My wife smacked it up again and the collision shop gave us a Chevy ICE as a loaner. I had forgotten how bad ICEs are to drive, I cannot wait to get the Volt back. The noise, the acceleration, the feel. ICEs suck,

Outside of golfcarts and a bicycle, I've never ridden in or driven an electric vehicle. I'm sure they're sweet. smooth and quiet.

Did they ever put bells on them so kids in the street can hear one sneaking up on them such as a wine lady after a book reading? It's been several years, but I remember that being a problem. Errant "silent but deadly" EV drivers and silly kids in the street.

I couldn't find any stats on first look but will continue to search. This one is about EV being battery-heavy sled that would go ballistic in a crash:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electric-vehicle-safety-heavy-battery/
As electric vehicles become more common, experts worry they could pose a safety risk for other drivers
As electric vehicles become more common, concerns over their safety, not just for those who drive them but for others on the road as well, are also increasing.

Tests performed by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show EVs hold up well in a simulated crash. Their batteries make the vehicles heavier, offering better protection to the passengers inside, but that extra weight — hundreds to even thousands of pounds — has traffic safety advocates concerned about the potential risk to other drivers.

"I think it does present significant challenges for safety," National Transportation Safety Board chair Jennifer Homendy told CBS News. "If you think about an impact in a crash with a lighter vehicle with a pedestrian or a cyclist or motorcyclists, it's going to have a much different outcome than we've seen in the past. Terribly tragic."

When asked if she was concerned it could lead to more deaths on the road, Homendy answered, "Absolutely it could. There's not a focus on the safety aspect of this."

The average vehicle on the roads as of mid-2023 weighed around 4,300 pounds, according to government data, but some newer large EVs weigh thousands of pounds more. That difference, crash experts say, matters.

"It's simple laws of physics," said Raul Arbelaez, vice president of IIHS' Vehicle Research Center in Ruckersville, Virginia. "The crash for the other vehicle, when you are heavier, is going to be more severe."

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I see a lot of Toyota Mom vans being T-boned by a speeding lead sled:

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/11/1148483758/ntsb-heavy-electric-vehicles-safety-risks
NTSB head warns of risks posed by heavy electric vehicles colliding with lighter cars
The head of the National Transportation Safety Board expressed concern Wednesday about the safety risks that heavy electric vehicles pose if they collide with lighter vehicles.

The official, Jennifer Homendy, raised the issue in a speech in Washington to the Transportation Research Board. She noted, by way of example, that an electric GMC Hummer weighs about 9,000 pounds (4,000 kilograms), with a battery pack that alone is 2,900 pounds (1,300 kilograms) — roughly the entire weight of a typical Honda Civic.

"I'm concerned about the increased risk of severe injury and death for all road users from heavier curb weights and increasing size, power, and performance of vehicles on our roads, including electric vehicles," Homendy said in remarks prepared for the group.
The extra weight that EVs typically carry stems from the outsize mass of their batteries. To achieve 300 or more miles (480 or more kilometers) of range per charge from an EV, batteries have to weigh thousands of pounds....

... EVs also deliver instant power to their wheels, making them accelerate faster in most cases than most gas-powered cars, trucks and SUVs.
Homendy said she was encouraged by the Biden administration's plans to phase out carbon emissions from vehicles to deal with the climate crisis. But she said she still worries about safety risks resulting from a proliferation of EVs on roads ands highways.

"We have to be careful that we aren't also creating unintended consequences: More death on our roads," she said. "Safety, especially when it comes to new transportation policies and new technologies, cannot be overlooked."

Homendy noted that Ford's F-150 Lightning EV pickup is 2,000 to 3,000 pounds (900 to 1,350 kilograms) heavier than the same model's combustion version. The Mustang Mach E electric SUV and the Volvo XC40 EV, she said, are roughly 33% heavier than their gasoline counterparts.

"That has a significant impact on safety for all road users," Homendy added.


An extra 2000 to 3000 pounds of metal would, indeed, create a more significant impact. LOL

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I have had a Volt for a long time. My wife smacked it up again and the collision shop gave us a Chevy ICE as a loaner. I had forgotten how bad ICEs are to drive, I cannot wait to get the Volt back. The noise, the acceleration, the feel. ICEs suck,

The auto-braking systems seem to be helping at low speeds but EVs are still has 40% more pedestrian accidents than ICEs. It doesn't break down by age. It does say post-SEP20 cars had noise makers.

https://devkotalawfirm.com/could-electric-and-hybrid-cars-be-dangerous-to-pedestrians-and-cyclists/
Could electric and hybrid cars be dangerous to pedestrians and cyclists?
Undoubtedly, relying on technology and depending on it excessively, added to the lack of road regulations, has increased the risk of colliding with an electric car.

Research shows electric cars are about to 40% more likely to hit a pedestrian than a conventional vehicle. These vehicles can barely be heard, especially by cyclists listening to music through headphones or pedestrians walking their dog....

...The agency has taken action to require hybrid and electric vehicles to emit a standard noise to warn pedestrians of a vehicle’s approach. The NHTSA required all electric cars to be outfitted with an artificial sound machine by September 2020 when traveling at slower speeds.

Many automakers are taking this requirement one step further and creating customized sounds to differentiate their cars from the competition. Afterall, we will need to keep an eye out for how car makers, law makers, and local leaders work together to push technology forward while also protecting the safety of all citizens on public roads!

 

[Nordberg]

Outside of golfcarts and a bicycle, I've never ridden in or driven an electric vehicle. I'm sure they're sweet. smooth and quiet.

Did they ever put bells on them so kids in the street can hear one sneaking up on them such as a wine lady after a book reading? It's been several years, but I remember that being a problem. Errant "silent but deadly" EV drivers and silly kids in the street.

I couldn't find any stats on first look but will continue to search. This one is about EV being battery-heavy sled that would go ballistic in a crash:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electric-vehicle-safety-heavy-battery/
As electric vehicles become more common, experts worry they could pose a safety risk for other drivers
As electric vehicles become more common, concerns over their safety, not just for those who drive them but for others on the road as well, are also increasing.

Tests performed by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show EVs hold up well in a simulated crash. Their batteries make the vehicles heavier, offering better protection to the passengers inside, but that extra weight — hundreds to even thousands of pounds — has traffic safety advocates concerned about the potential risk to other drivers.

"I think it does present significant challenges for safety," National Transportation Safety Board chair Jennifer Homendy told CBS News. "If you think about an impact in a crash with a lighter vehicle with a pedestrian or a cyclist or motorcyclists, it's going to have a much different outcome than we've seen in the past. Terribly tragic."

When asked if she was concerned it could lead to more deaths on the road, Homendy answered, "Absolutely it could. There's not a focus on the safety aspect of this."

The average vehicle on the roads as of mid-2023 weighed around 4,300 pounds, according to government data, but some newer large EVs weigh thousands of pounds more. That difference, crash experts say, matters.

"It's simple laws of physics," said Raul Arbelaez, vice president of IIHS' Vehicle Research Center in Ruckersville, Virginia. "The crash for the other vehicle, when you are heavier, is going to be more severe."

The problem is those stats are comparing crashes between sedans and EVs. Only 21 percent of ICEs sold are sedans. Your most likely collision would be with the behemoths that American customers buy. We do have trucks, vans and buses on the road. Why were they not a problem?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The problem is those stats are comparing crashes between sedans and EVs. Only 21 percent of ICEs sold are sedans. Your most likely collision would be with the behemoths that American customers buy.

We do have trucks, vans and buses on the road. Why were they not a problem?

We're all going to find out one way or another.

Yes. The concern is increasing the number of far heavier passenger cars along with the trucks, vans and buses. That's okay. A few thousand more losses isn't a big deal overall, is it? LOL

 

[Joe Capitalist]

EVs are not 'next generation', Sock. They are old technology.

Consumer Reports found in May that electrifying the entire U.S.*light-duty vehicle fleet by 2050 would require less than 1% growth per year in electricity generation. The report found that if 25% of the entire U.S.*passenger vehicle fleet was electric by 2032, the grid could meet that demand by only experiencing a 6% growth in electricity generation.*
Lindsay Buckley, spokesperson for the California Energy Commission, said last year that EV charging accounted for less than 1% of the grid's total load during peak hours. By 2030, that number is expected to be around 5%, a*“small amount” of added demand.*
While highlighting electrification subsidies, the report ignores those subsidies that exist for fossil fuels. According to an August study by the International Monetary Fund, fossil fuel subsidies surged to a record $7 trillion last year.*
The IMF projected that if these existing fossil fuel subsidies were scrapped, 1.6 million premature deaths could be prevented and the world could get a little closer to achieving its global warming targets.*
"If governments removed explicit subsidies and imposed corrective taxes, fuel prices would increase," the IMF wrote. "This would lead firms and households to consider environmental costs when making consumption and investment decisions. The result would be cutting global carbon-dioxide emissions significantly, cleaner air, less lung and heart disease, and more fiscal space for governments."

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Consumer Reports found in May that electrifying the entire U.S.*light-duty vehicle fleet by 2050 would require less than 1% growth per year in electricity generation. The report found that if 25% of the entire U.S.*passenger vehicle fleet was electric by 2032, the grid could meet that demand by only experiencing a 6% growth in electricity generation.*
Lindsay Buckley, spokesperson for the California Energy Commission, said last year that EV charging accounted for less than 1% of the grid's total load during peak hours. By 2030, that number is expected to be around 5%, a*“small amount” of added demand.*
While highlighting electrification subsidies, the report ignores those subsidies that exist for fossil fuels. According to an August study by the International Monetary Fund, fossil fuel subsidies surged to a record $7 trillion last year.*
The IMF projected that if these existing fossil fuel subsidies were scrapped, 1.6 million premature deaths could be prevented and the world could get a little closer to achieving its global warming targets.*
"If governments removed explicit subsidies and imposed corrective taxes, fuel prices would increase," the IMF wrote. "This would lead firms and households to consider environmental costs when making consumption and investment decisions. The result would be cutting global carbon-dioxide emissions significantly, cleaner air, less lung and heart disease, and more fiscal space for governments."

Don't expect the anti-science mob or crazies like Sybil to comprehend a single word of that article.

https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/research/blog-can-the-grid-handle-evs-yes/

 

[Joe Capitalist]

'All those new EV owners' is less than 1% of the cars on the road. There's quite a few reasons why:

* long recharge time
* limited range
* high costs with maintenance
* high costs to purchase
* poor handling
* significantly reduced range due to inclement weather
* damage to the environment due to mining and processing methods of obtaining lithium metal in such large quantities.
* poor resale value

About the only thing an EV has going for it is acceleration, but that drains the battery quite fast, and it isn't a drag race out there.

Over 2 million electric cars have been sold in the United States and the market for electric vehicles has grown by an astonishing 19,000% since 2010. In 2021, 310,000 electric vehicles were sold in America

Key Insights:

- Over 2 million electric vehicles have been sold in the United States.
- The market for electric vehicles still doubled in 2021.
- Running an EV for 200,000 miles could save you $4,380 compared to a gasoline-powered car.

New research from Consumer Reports shows that pure electric vehicles—which have fewer moving parts—need less maintenance, and generally cost less to repair than the average gas-powered vehicle. Although many buyers are put off by the higher purchase price of EVs, switching from a traditional gasoline-powered car to an electric one can be a great way to save money over the life of the vehicle: Lower fueling costs (plus reduced emissions) combined with lower maintenance and repair costs can offset the purchase price, and even lead to long-term savings, when compared with a gas-powered car of similar size and with comparable features.

"It has long been well known that EVs are cheaper to maintain than their gasoline-powered counterparts," says Chris Harto, CR's senior analyst for transportation and energy. "But this is the first time we've had enough hard data from actual EV owners to prove the point."

We Predict's study contributes to a growing body of research confirming that battery-powered vehicles are cheaper to own than ones that run on fossil fuels. EVs have fewer moving parts that can go bad and don't need some of the routine maintenance required of conventional cars, like oil changes.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

EVs are not 'advancement of techonology'. They are outdated technology.

Too bad you're the only one who believes that. No one is swallowing the anti-EV bullshit you type everyday. We'll go by the research from Consumer Reports, Car and Driver, Motor Trend, KB Auto and other reputable sources.
Sorry, MAGA moron. Nobody believes your bullshit. It's not true just because you type it on an obscure political forum.

Sorry to make you all butthurt, MAGA moron:

 

[Into the Night]

The problem is those stats are comparing crashes between sedans and EVs. Only 21 percent of ICEs sold are sedans. Your most likely collision would be with the behemoths that American customers buy. We do have trucks, vans and buses on the road. Why were they not a problem?

Well over 50% of cars sold in the States are sedans.
Trucks (especially semi-trucks), vans, and buses have been labeled a 'problem' by the news media before as well. When one of these babies hit another car, it ain't pretty. You should see what they can do to an EV!

The last city bus accident I saw cut the sedan in half. It was caused by the sedan driver on his cell phone (distracted driving) and pulling out in front of the oncoming double-decker bus in Las Vegas. The idiot in the sedan survived (only a broken nose and arm!). There were no injuries on the bus.

I have to give kudos to the bus driver. He didn't slam on his brakes (which causes bus rider injuries), as he was trained. The idea is to let the bus mash through whatever it hit instead, producing reduced deceleration on the bus itself. The natural reaction is to slam on the brakes, but bus drivers are specifically trained to not do so.

Driving while distracted due to a cell phone in Las Vegas means immediate impound of the car and a year in jail.

When an EV gets into an accident, if a SINGLE BATTERY is damaged, the car is totaled. It is too expensive to replace the battery pack.