Obama ranked 7th greatest president

If this deep into this dark age you are taking these sorts of claims seriously then you are an idiot.
 
I once had a lot of respect for historians, but currently finding one that both understands history and tries to tell the truth is almost like finding a Unicorn.

VDH is one.
 
Someone on my grapevine was recently saying that Bush the elder was the last President who had any clue what he was doing....one might think that Bush the Younger would have as well but the story on him is that he was always lazy, and his give a fuck was broken.
 
ExpressLane said:
154 respondents :rofl2:
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It's a survey of professional historians.

Not a survey of numbskulls on the street.

A valid representative sampling only has to be adequate to represent the sample population. There aren't millions of professional historians in America.
 
anonymoose said:
I have a subscription to the NYT.
They don’t say. Imagine that.
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They say the source was 154 professional historians, some self identified as Democrats, some as Republicans, and the Republicans also ranked Trump low on the list - imagine that.
 
So there is no actual "source".... self identified "professional historians" means nothing...
 
Hawkeye10 said:
It is a UniParty....and they hate us.
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That will never work out well in the end for them...
I'm no fan of Joe Biden, but I wouldn't I wouldn't ever support throwing away the law and the good of the country in exchange for actual hatred...No one should be willing to do that...
Never be willing to sacrifice anything...including friends, over politics...
 
martin said:
They say the source was 154 professional historians, some self identified as Democrats, some as Republicans, and the Republicans also ranked Trump low on the list - imagine that.
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I’m a professional historian. Nobody asked me.
 
TOP said:
That will never work out well in the end for them...
I'm no fan of Joe Biden, but I wouldn't I wouldn't ever support throwing away the law and the good of the country in exchange for actual hatred...No one should be willing to do that...
Never be willing to sacrifice anything...including friends, over politics...
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The Revolution has lost very few battles over the last 50 years.
 
ExpressLane said:
154 respondents :rofl2:
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Those polled were broken down by political ideaology and both the Republicans and the Conservatives ranked Biden well above Trump. Too bad they did not sample an "ignorant rightwing extremist" group.

Trump is finally dead last in the ranking where he is certain to stay. It's hard to believe someone impeached twice and guilty of rape and fraud will ever move ahead of anyone ever again. Add 90 felony convictions and there is no way we will ever have a bigger failure in the presidency.
 
serendipity said:
There is no way on Earth that the NYT even pretends to be impartial
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I did not see it on NYT, I saw it on FOX news. How about them, are they impartial?

New presidential rankings place Obama in top 10, Reagan and Trump below Biden
A new poll of historians coming out on Presidents’ Day weekend ranks Mr. Biden as the 14th-best president in American history, just ahead of Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan and Ulysses S. Grant. While that may not get Mr. Biden a spot on Mount Rushmore, it certainly puts him well ahead of Mr. Trump, who places dead last as the worst president ever.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-presidential-rankings-place-obama-top-10-reagan-trump-below-biden
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Here is a link to a pdf of the poll itself....
http://www.brandonrottinghaus.com/u...1/presidential_greatness_white_paper_2024.pdf
 
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